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Full Tilt Boogie
10 Jul 2011, 03:33 AM
Now ignoring the fact the US decided to ignore all the Geneva Conventions, and it's own Constitution, when transporting just about anyone who they didn't like in Gitmo (torture, sorry, "enhanced interrogation techniques" and waterboarding aside, for the moment), here's a story to make you weep.



Frank Lindh: America's barbaric treatment of my son John Walker Lindh (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/10/john-walker-lindh-american-taliban-father)

In 1998, aged 17, my son John Walker Lindh travelled to Yemen to study Islam and learn Arabic. In April 2001 he went to Afghanistan. Then 9/11 happened. He was captured by US troops, tortured, and jailed for 20 years, an innocent victim of America's 'war on terror'

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John Walker Lindh following his capture by US troops in December 2001. Photograph: Getty Images

John Phillip Walker Lindh, my son, was raised a Roman Catholic, but converted to Islam when he was 16 years old. He has an older brother and a younger sister. John is scholarly and devout, devoted to his family, and blessed with a powerful intellect, a curious mind, and a wry sense of humour.

Labelled by the American government as "Detainee 001" in the "war on terror", John occupies a prison cell in Terre Haute, Indiana. He has been a prisoner of the American government since 1 December 2001, less than three months after the terror attacks of 9/11.

John is entirely innocent of any involvement in the terror attacks, or any allegiance to terrorism. That is not disputed by the American government. Indeed, all accusations of terrorism against John were dropped by the government in a plea bargain, which in turn was approved by the US district court in which the case was brought.

Despite its proud history as a stable constitutional democracy, the US has, for 10 years, been affected by post-traumatic shock, following the horrific events of 11 September 2001. I can find no other explanation for the barbaric mistreatment and continued detention of a gentle young man like John Lindh.

trendkill
14 Jul 2011, 06:08 PM
Then 9/11 happened. He was captured by US troops, tortured, and jailed for 20 yearsOddly, this claim that the US government is in possession of time travel does not seem to appear at the link. :P

As for him being "innocent" of "any allegiance to terror", that conclusion seems spun to say the least--this kid studies at a madrassa and joins the Taliban army under Osama bin Laden (who funded his training camp) without picking up any extremist tendencies or admiration for terrorists whatsoever? Technically possible, I suppose, but unlikely. Plenty of people were subjected to illegal detention in the US who were actually innocent and never took up arms for the cause of Muslim extremism. So yeah, he probably didn't get his due process, but I'm not exactly weeping over this particular case.

dancer_rnb
14 Jul 2011, 06:16 PM
Maybe that 20 years refers to the sentence he was given?

James Joyce
14 Jul 2011, 06:50 PM
As for him being "innocent" of "any allegiance to terror", that conclusion seems spun to say the least--this kid studies at a madrassa and joins the Taliban army under Osama bin Laden (who funded his training camp) without picking up any extremist tendencies or admiration for terrorists whatsoever?

As Lindh had by all accounts learnt Arabic, it seems more likely - in terms of practical military communication - that he was fighting with al-Qaeda rather than with the Taliban.

Full Tilt Boogie
14 Jul 2011, 07:16 PM
And yet amazing that Walker-Lindh was accorded all due process (an American court, lawyer and everything), unlike those with whom he was captured, who are still poste restante at Gitmo...

Double standards - much?

Loren Pechtel
14 Jul 2011, 08:20 PM
Then 9/11 happened. He was captured by US troops, tortured, and jailed for 20 yearsOddly, this claim that the US government is in possession of time travel does not seem to appear at the link. :P

As for him being "innocent" of "any allegiance to terror", that conclusion seems spun to say the least--this kid studies at a madrassa and joins the Taliban army under Osama bin Laden (who funded his training camp) without picking up any extremist tendencies or admiration for terrorists whatsoever? Technically possible, I suppose, but unlikely. Plenty of people were subjected to illegal detention in the US who were actually innocent and never took up arms for the cause of Muslim extremism. So yeah, he probably didn't get his due process, but I'm not exactly weeping over this particular case.

And note that the terrorism charges were dropped as part of a plea bargain. That does *NOT* show his innocence by any means!

Besides, he willingly joined an army fighting the US. That by itself is enough to get you stripped of citizenship.

This is just another case of a parent unwilling to see that their kid did wrong.

David B
14 Jul 2011, 08:52 PM
Every now and again I find myself agreeing with Loren Pechtel, and this is one of those times.

David

trendkill
14 Jul 2011, 10:37 PM
And note that the terrorism charges were dropped as part of a plea bargain. That does *NOT* show his innocence by any means!Doesn't prove guilt either. Anyone in that situation who knew what the atmosphere was like in the US at the time would have been ready to plea bargain, I think.

Besides, he willingly joined an army fighting the US. That by itself is enough to get you stripped of citizenship.Except that they weren't fighting the US when he joined. The US decided to back the faction that he was fighting against after the fact.

mood2
14 Jul 2011, 10:57 PM
the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, and messily human. That's a grim photo either way.

Full Tilt Boogie
15 Jul 2011, 12:21 AM
And note that the terrorism charges were dropped as part of a plea bargain. That does *NOT* show his innocence by any means!

If the US gov't, actually had the evidence to convict him on the charges, they would not have offered a plea bargain, they would have thrown the book at him and made an example out of him That suggests they were keen for a conviction, but didn't want a full trial as they would have had to show what evidence they had.

Besides, he willingly joined an army fighting the US. That by itself is enough to get you stripped of citizenship.

And yet he's not been stripped of his citizenship, has he - as, if he had, he would now have been that new category of prisoner invented in the fevered minds of, and just for, the Bush jnr administration called (wait for it...) "unlawful enemy combatant" and currently be in Gitmo with the rest who've been denied due process.