Why is the Right so pissed?

[tjakey]

I don't understand why the right wing nutters are so pissed at Obama. By all appearances he is doing everything just the way they like it. Torture? Well, we don't do it anymore but really, no one is going to be held accountable, no crimes were really committed, lets "look forward."

Look forward to continuing the war in Iraq, expanding the war in Afghanistan, sending more money to Wall Street, letting GM go bankrupt, increasing defense spending and decreasing domestic spending, expanding money spent on "faith based initiatives," continuing the policy on Cuba (with a minor tweak)...

Obama is the President the right wing hoped McCain would be.

[Lisa0315]

I think EVERYONE just needs to calm down. In a way, I am glad to see average Americans out there speaking out and that the apathy is beginning to lift. At the same time, I wish the fucking media would shut the fuck up and stop turning everything into Conservative/Liberal - Republican/Democrat. This is not about party. This is about saving this country from financial ruin. I am not saying that the stimulus is the right or wrong thing to do. I am saying that everyone needs to chill out and give it a chance.

Lisa

[Mung Dynasty]

"All we are saayy_innngg, is give the guy a chance.........." :D

[Lisa0315]

"All we are saayy_innngg, is give the guy a chance.........." :D

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

I am a John Girl. Always will be. ;)

[Mung Dynasty]

In that case you should try imagining there's no heaven.

[Lisa0315]

In that case you should try imagining there's no heaven.

Touche'!

[tjakey]

I think Mung wins the hip shot of the week.

[rlogan]

I don't understand why the right wing nutters are so pissed at Obama. By all appearances he is doing everything just the way they like it. Torture? Well, we don't do it anymore but really, no one is going to be held accountable, no crimes were really committed, lets "look forward."

Look forward to continuing the war in Iraq, expanding the war in Afghanistan, sending more money to Wall Street, letting GM go bankrupt, increasing defense spending and decreasing domestic spending, expanding money spent on "faith based initiatives," continuing the policy on Cuba (with a minor tweak)...

Obama is the President the right wing hoped McCain would be.

It's all about framing things so that the status quo is maintained.

Look at how they framed things with accusing Obama of cutting military spending.

Everyone on the left leaped to Obama's defense saying - oh look how he is actually increasing military spending.

So the status quo of the money powers/military industrial complex is preserved and has all these foolish liberals acting on behalf of the very people they claim to be against.

We spend more than the rest of the world combined on our military. Obama does not want to cut military spending because he is beholden to those interests, as are all politicians at high levels. That is how they get elected.

So the debate is controlled and framed where Obama "Has to look tough on defense"

"Has to look tough on terrorism"

"Has no choice but to pour buckets of money on the already super-rich"


etc.

[lpetrich]

It's the same thing with then-President Bill Clinton. Though he was a mushy centrist, the right-wingers howled that he was an evil and dangerous left-wing extremist. So I think that they are looking forward to repeating their triumph.

[nygreenguy]

It's the same thing with then-President Bill Clinton. Though he was a mushy centrist, the right-wingers howled that he was an evil and dangerous left-wing extremist. So I think that they are looking forward to repeating their triumph.


I think its because most of them are jealous. Heres why, look at the way they respond to education and intellectuals. They seem to literally take pride in being ignorant.

And because of these peoples education, they have got away from manual labor. Ever notice how right wingers always talk about "hard work", and how people "sit behind a desk".

They have failed in success and are jealous.

(clearly this only applies to a small portion, but I really think it accuratly explains some of them)

[Lisa0315]

I think Mung wins the hip shot of the week.

Indeed! Right between the eyes with that one! :D I do admire a good come back especially when it is so pointed as that one. :notworthy:

[Mung Dynasty]

It's the same thing with then-President Bill Clinton. Though he was a mushy centrist, the right-wingers howled that he was an evil and dangerous left-wing extremist. So I think that they are looking forward to repeating their triumph.
Your right wingers never cease to amaze me. Over here they'd be regarded as so far right they'd be off the scale. Sort of the political equivalent of faster than light or colder than absolute zero.

I remember one guy, who was often rather sane despite being a Catholic, ranting about John Kerry being a radical Leftist. He was dead serious. The rest of us were totally gobsmacked.

[dug_down_deep]

The right is pissed because we beat their asses.

Oh yeah.

[Puck]

They're pissed because they like being pissed. They thrive on false indignation. They love to have something to get worked up about. Their leaders, and Faux News know this, and work it to their advantage. If the poor stupid twits knew how much they are played, they'd be pissed for reals.

[Mung Dynasty]

Yup.

[ck1]

The right is pissed because we beat their asses.

Oh yeah.

This.

I listen to right-wing radio to and from work and they can't get over it.

They are also mad because they couldn't get much of a turnout for those tea parties.

And because Obama has such high numbers.

And the stock market is improving.

And other countries seem to like us, for a change.

[Stout Drinker]

Its because they know that he will simulateously surrender to the terrorists and Europeans because he is a weak kneed peacenik while initiating a fascistic government which will ban Christianity and force every woman to have an abortion.

[frazier]

Its because they know that he will simulateously surrender to the terrorists and Europeans because he is a weak kneed peacenik while initiating a fascistic government which will ban Christianity and force every woman to have an abortion.

Well, that's why I voted for him!

[tjakey]

"Exceptions to Iraq Deadline Are Proposed" from the Huffington post this morning...

So much for "I'll end this war" Obama...

"Yes we can" = "Fucked again"

[dancer_rnb]

It's the same thing with then-President Bill Clinton. Though he was a mushy centrist, the right-wingers howled that he was an evil and dangerous left-wing extremist. So I think that they are looking forward to repeating their triumph.


I think its because most of them are jealous. Heres why, look at the way they respond to education and intellectuals. They seem to literally take pride in being ignorant.

And because of these peoples education, they have got away from manual labor. Ever notice how right wingers always talk about "hard work", and how people "sit behind a desk".

They have failed in success and are jealous.

(clearly this only applies to a small portion, but I really think it accuratly explains some of them)

Read some history. You'll see how some "intellectuals" often had an idealized view of the common folk but felt contempt for them in real life.

[tjakey]

It's the same thing with then-President Bill Clinton. Though he was a mushy centrist, the right-wingers howled that he was an evil and dangerous left-wing extremist. So I think that they are looking forward to repeating their triumph.


I think its because most of them are jealous. Heres why, look at the way they respond to education and intellectuals. They seem to literally take pride in being ignorant.

And because of these peoples education, they have got away from manual labor. Ever notice how right wingers always talk about "hard work", and how people "sit behind a desk".

They have failed in success and are jealous.

(clearly this only applies to a small portion, but I really think it accuratly explains some of them)

Read some history. You'll see how some "intellectuals" often had an idealized view of the common folk but felt contempt for them in real life.

Sometimes, for me Dancer, it isn't contempt but more like melancholy realization that I am a member of a mad and self-destructive species.

[Alex]

Read some history. You'll see how some "intellectuals" often had an idealized view of the common folk but felt contempt for them in real life.

This is characteristic of those intellectuals who believe they are morally fit to give advice to humanity.

[tjakey]

I'd take moral advice from an intellectual before I would some fuck-wad who thinks he is having conversations with god.

[dug_down_deep]

Then you do prefer Obama over Bush. See?

[Lisa0315]

Then you do prefer Obama over Bush. See?

QFT!

I say give the guy a chance for goodness sakes. For folks who don't believe in miracles and such, some of you are sure expecting one. Looks like Christians are not the only ones who believe in a messiah.

Lisa

[Zebulon]

Obama's maneuverability was always going to be constrained by the situation he inherited. That's reality.

The Right is pissed because they are out of power. Doesn't matter if many of the same policies are being implemented; they aren't holding the reins.

[Lisa0315]

Obama's maneuverability was always going to be constrained by the situation he inherited. That's reality.

The Right is pissed because they are out of power. Doesn't matter if many of the same policies are being implemented; they aren't holding the reins.

Exactly.

[tjakey]

Lisa, I'm the last person in the world who expects any kind of miracle from anyone. And you know, I'm not really surprised that Obama is turning into a disappointment. He is, after all, a politician from America's utterly corrupted military-industrial / two-party farce of a "democracy."

Having said that...

End the war in Iraq? Not.
Hold people responsible for crimes? Not.
Get Wall street under control? Not, but ship them shit loads of money anyway.
Revise the tax code? Not.
Get military spending under control? Not.
Gun control? Shit, Obama is terrified of the NRA.
Equal treatment for gay? Not. Obama is a "born-again" after all.

Anyway, I'll get off my soap box now. I was lightly holding onto one last thought that Obama might prove my hard earned years of utter cynicism when it comes to our government was misplaced. But my personal run; Nixon (puke), Ford, Carter, Reagen (projectile vomiting), Bush I (not as bad as I feared but still nauseating), Clinton (vertigo), and Bush II (a hangover that makes one wish for death)...

So far I guess Obama is an improvement; a bad cold you hope doesn't get any worse.

[Lisa0315]

Lisa, I'm the last person in the world who expects any kind of miracle from anyone. And you know, I'm not really surprised that Obama is turning into a disappointment. He is, after all, a politician from America's utterly corrupted military-industrial / two-party farce of a "democracy."

Having said that...

End the war in Iraq? Not.
Hold people responsible for crimes? Not.
Get Wall street under control? Not, but ship them shit loads of money anyway.
Revise the tax code? Not.
Get military spending under control? Not.
Gun control? Shit, Obama is terrified of the NRA.
Equal treatment for gay? Not. Obama is a "born-again" after all.

Anyway, I'll get off my soap box now. I was lightly holding onto one last thought that Obama might prove my hard earned years of utter cynicism when it comes to our government was misplaced. But my personal run; Nixon (puke), Ford, Carter, Reagen (projectile vomiting), Bush I (not as bad as I feared but still nauseating), Clinton (vertigo), and Bush II (a hangover that makes one wish for death)...

So far I guess Obama is an improvement; a bad cold you hope doesn't get any worse.

I just figure anything less than a year is asking for a miracle. I just do not get the complaining at this stage. You are entitled as you are a voter and an American. You may complain all you want and I would die for your right to do so. I am just saying that personally I still have a "wait and see" attitude. It seems unreasonable to me to expect someone to undo what it took 8 years to accomplish.

Lisa

[Norrin Radd]

I don't understand why the right wing nutters are so pissed ...

Yeah, I'm completely baffled as to what's flown up the tailpipes of Keith Olberman, Jeanine Garofalo, Sean Penn, Bill Maher, Joy Behar,...

Oh, wait, you said RIGHT-wing. Sorry, the closest thing to a right-wing "nutter" I know of is Doc Savage, and I haven't had occasion to listen to him for weeks -- and probably won't now that Pirate baseball is back in season on the station that carries him here.

[tjakey]

Even after 8 years of Bush I don't recall the left wing talking about assassination, armed rebellion or civil war. Organizing, getting out the vote, and jail time for war crimes for some in the Bush administration, yes; but treason?

100 days of Obama and the right wing is all atwitter about "losing" the country. But, as I said, I'm not sure why. So far Obama, if anything, has been center right rather than center left. There is certainly nothing "far left" about his administration.

[lpetrich]

I don't understand why the right wing nutters are so pissed ...

Yeah, I'm completely baffled as to what's flown up the tailpipes of Keith Olberman, Jeanine Garofalo, Sean Penn, Bill Maher, Joy Behar,...
Haven't you ever heard of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, ...???

If those people are centrist, what do you think extreme right would be???

Oh, wait, you said RIGHT-wing. Sorry, the closest thing to a right-wing "nutter" I know of is Doc Savage, and I haven't had occasion to listen to him for weeks -- and probably won't now that Pirate baseball is back in season on the station that carries him here.
You've heard of Doc Savage but not Rush Limbaugh???

Especially given that Rush Limbaugh has been acting like the de facto head of the Republican Party, with Republican politicans afraid to displease him. I don't see anything close to that on the Democratic side; the most I've ever seen is the opposite: Bill Clinton vs. Sister Souljah.

[tjakey]

Thanks lpetrich, I was going to say something but you put it so much better.

[Norrin Radd]

I don't understand why the right wing nutters are so pissed ...

Yeah, I'm completely baffled as to what's flown up the tailpipes of Keith Olberman, Jeanine Garofalo, Sean Penn, Bill Maher, Joy Behar,...
Haven't you ever heard of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, ...???

If those people are centrist, what do you think extreme right would be???

My point was that I've heard at least as much pissed-ness from the lefties as from the righties.

So if anyone is going to wonder about pissed-ness, they should be wondering why the LEFT is so pissed, when THEIR GUY WON.



Oh, wait, you said RIGHT-wing. Sorry, the closest thing to a right-wing "nutter" I know of is Doc Savage, and I haven't had occasion to listen to him for weeks -- and probably won't now that Pirate baseball is back in season on the station that carries him here.
You've heard of Doc Savage but not Rush Limbaugh???

I'm well aware of the Maha-Rushie. I don't consider him or Carved-Hair Sean or Big O to be "nutters." Some of them are definitely partisan, sometimes excessively so, but they are not "nutters." But Doc... well...




Especially given that Rush Limbaugh has been acting like the de facto head of the Republican Party,

The Man Who Runs America? I feel fairly confident in saying that he would quickly take a more "supporting character" role if there emerged a Reaganesque conservative political leader that he could get behind.



with Republican politicans afraid to displease him. I don't see anything close to that on the Democratic side; the most I've ever seen is the opposite: Bill Clinton vs. Sister Souljah.

They are rightly somewhat afraid to offend his "constituency," millions of conservatives.

[tjakey]

I pretty dissapointed in Obama because he is so careful to be center, and to me, center right. I voted for him to END the war in Afghanistan, not keep funiding it, END the war in Afghanistan, not commit us to an unending combat mission that has no purpose. He has sent billions of $$ to the same Wall Street Mongrels who robbed us in the first place, has increased military spending...shit I've run this list in other places.

If anyone should be disapointed with Obama it is the left who GOT HIS ASS to the White house and then got thrown under the train.

[Ray Moscow]

Unfortunately Obama never established much history as a progressive.

And now we know why.

Still: he seems to be determine to fix health care, and even more importantly he's didn't run Sarah Palin as his VP.

[Llyricist]

Still: he seems to be determine to fix health care,
So did Clinton back in the day.

and even more importantly he's didn't run Sarah Palin as his VP.

That is such a depressingly low bar that it's hard to find words to properly express it.

[dug_down_deep]

I'm good with him so far. There's a committee looking at the Afghanistan thing, isn't there? And healthcare has a fighting chance this time. Some of the players have switched sides, from what I hear.

[Worldtraveller]

I'm good with him so far. There's a committee looking at the Afghanistan thing, isn't there? And healthcare has a fighting chance this time. Some of the players have switched sides, from what I hear.
I'm not.

But I'm 99% sure things would be much worse with McCain there. *sigh* that's also a pathetically low bar.

So far, I've been pretty happy with Obama's rhetoric, but not many of his actions, and those count for far more.

[tjakey]

It is a sad state of the Union when getting over a pathetically low bar is the best we can expect. At least Quayle and Palin were both Republican picks...

[Danhalen]

Piss and moan all you want, but just saying that Obama did or didn't do this or that is simply not a reason to base your complaints. I'm with Lisa on this. He's only been president for 100 days. Shrub was president for 2920 days. That's a lop sided ratio of time to expect anything IMHO. Give Obama a bit more time before you start complaining that we aren't shitting rainbows and eating ice cream for dinner.

In the mean time, check this site out: http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

[Lisa0315]

I got an extra $50 in my paycheck today. I needed it. Thank You, President Obama.

Lisa

[Ray Moscow]

Still: he seems to be determine to fix health care,
So did Clinton back in the day.

and even more importantly he's didn't run Sarah Palin as his VP.

That is such a depressingly low bar that it's hard to find words to properly express it.

In US politics, we're starting in negative territory.

[Llyricist]

Still: he seems to be determine to fix health care,
So did Clinton back in the day.

and even more importantly he's didn't run Sarah Palin as his VP.

That is such a depressingly low bar that it's hard to find words to properly express it.

In US politics, we're starting in negative territory.

I was more referring to capability than policy, though I guess even by that measure we have been in negative territory for little while anyhow.... :(, but I wouldn't say it started there.

[Worldtraveller]

Piss and moan all you want, but just saying that Obama did or didn't do this or that is simply not a reason to base your complaints. I'm with Lisa on this. He's only been president for 100 days. Shrub was president for 2920 days. That's a lop sided ratio of time to expect anything IMHO. Give Obama a bit more time before you start complaining that we aren't shitting rainbows and eating ice cream for dinner.

In the mean time, check this site out: http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
After that, check out this post (http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/obama_atrocious_answer_on_state.php) and you'll see why some of us are so irritated with the promises Obama has not kept.

[dancer_rnb]

More reason to be disappointed in Obama:
From Dispatches From The Culture Wars

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/obama_atrocious_answer_on_state.php

[tjakey]

Lisa, they sent you $50. They sent the care companies billions in a massive exercise of blatant Corporate Welfare. It sure looks like that is working out well, doesn't it?

[Danhalen]

Lisa, they sent you $50. They sent the care companies billions in a massive exercise of blatant Corporate Welfare. It sure looks like that is working out well, doesn't it?While I do not like the billions in corporate wellfare I am also not an economist. It is possible that the money spent to keep companies running will help the economy. We have to give it more time. I hardly believe 100 days is a sufficient time frame to fix the shithole we're in.

[Lisa0315]

Lisa, they sent you $50. They sent the care companies billions in a massive exercise of blatant Corporate Welfare. It sure looks like that is working out well, doesn't it?While I do not like the billions in corporate wellfare I am also not an economist. It is possible that the money spent to keep companies running will help the economy. We have to give it more time. I hardly believe 100 days is a sufficient time frame to fix the shithole we're in.

Exactly. I am not an economist either, but I have studied it. We had a bubble. It was inevitable that it was going to burst. To avoid the most extreme effects, Bush should have been doing something about it beginning in about 2001.

Instead, he chose to lie to the American people about WMD's. He attempted to pull an FDR thinking that the American people would be naive enough to go into WWIII without asking questions based on patriotic fever that was on the lips of every American right after 9-11. If Bush had been allowed, and if our old allies had supported teh US, we would have gone to war with Iran, Pakistan, and Syria, probably N. Korea as well. The call to war against the Axis of Evil simply did not work out as planned.

Obama has a huge task in front of him. In order to fix what Bush broke, we are going to have to be very, very patient. Okay? Obama is trying to fix the US. Bush broke the world. Can everyone guess which one is going to take longer?

Lisa

[tjakey]

As I recall we spent billions of $$ with the pointed goal of keeping the car companies OUT of bankruptcy. By any rational that I can see that failed to happen. The American taxpayer is now on the hook, at the cost of billions, for a company that, by definition, is now not worth anything; its debts far outnumber its assets, its market share has shriveled, and it has no viable plan to succeed.

Just how many billions does it take to add up to a failure?

[dug_down_deep]

It's probably good to have the car companies fail in the middle of a big ugly recession. I can see that. Lisa, if you work for a car company or one of the industries that depends on car companies, Obama is saving your job. That's a touch better than the 50 bucks.

[Lisa0315]

It's probably good to have the car companies fail in the middle of a big ugly recession. I can see that. Lisa, if you work for a car company or one of the industries that depends on car companies, Obama is saving your job. That's a touch better than the 50 bucks.

I don't think you understand what I am saying. There is no GOOD solution. There is only what we can try. There are too many variables and there is the desperation of company CEO's who will stretch the truth trying to buy some time in an attempt to pull off a miracle.

There are no miracles, folks. There is only getting through it. There will be far more negative signs than positive ones.

Lisa

[dug_down_deep]

I understood. I was just sarcastically responding to the post before yours.

[tjakey]

dug, the car companies have failed...past tense. How much money do you spend to dress up a corps and and try to pass it off at the dance as your date?

[dancer_rnb]

Lisa, they sent you $50. They sent the care companies billions in a massive exercise of blatant Corporate Welfare. It sure looks like that is working out well, doesn't it?While I do not like the billions in corporate wellfare I am also not an economist. It is possible that the money spent to keep companies running will help the economy. We have to give it more time. I hardly believe 100 days is a sufficient time frame to fix the shithole we're in.

Exactly. I am not an economist either, but I have studied it. We had a bubble. It was inevitable that it was going to burst. To avoid the most extreme effects, Bush should have been doing something about it beginning in about 2001.

Instead, he chose to lie to the American people about WMD's. He attempted to pull an FDR thinking that the American people would be naive enough to go into WWIII without asking questions based on patriotic fever that was on the lips of every American right after 9-11. If Bush had been allowed, and if our old allies had supported teh US, we would have gone to war with Iran, Pakistan, and Syria, probably N. Korea as well. The call to war against the Axis of Evil simply did not work out as planned.

Obama has a huge task in front of him. In order to fix what Bush broke, we are going to have to be very, very patient. Okay? Obama is trying to fix the US. Bush broke the world. Can everyone guess which one is going to take longer?

Lisa

I seem to remember being out of work for a year in 2001. That was when the previous bubble (tech) had burst. Just saying.......

[Lisa0315]

While I do not like the billions in corporate wellfare I am also not an economist. It is possible that the money spent to keep companies running will help the economy. We have to give it more time. I hardly believe 100 days is a sufficient time frame to fix the shithole we're in.

Exactly. I am not an economist either, but I have studied it. We had a bubble. It was inevitable that it was going to burst. To avoid the most extreme effects, Bush should have been doing something about it beginning in about 2001.

Instead, he chose to lie to the American people about WMD's. He attempted to pull an FDR thinking that the American people would be naive enough to go into WWIII without asking questions based on patriotic fever that was on the lips of every American right after 9-11. If Bush had been allowed, and if our old allies had supported teh US, we would have gone to war with Iran, Pakistan, and Syria, probably N. Korea as well. The call to war against the Axis of Evil simply did not work out as planned.

Obama has a huge task in front of him. In order to fix what Bush broke, we are going to have to be very, very patient. Okay? Obama is trying to fix the US. Bush broke the world. Can everyone guess which one is going to take longer?

Lisa

I seem to remember being out of work for a year in 2001. That was when the previous bubble (tech) had burst. Just saying.......

Well, it was still that bubble that I was talking about. The Clinton years ended with the tech bubble bursting, then, 9-11, then Enron, then, the world was broken. I swear, I think that dumbass Bush masterminded the whole damn thing, even the planes going into the buildings, thinking that a war would fix things. I know, I know...but still I bet he thought of Roosevelt's war during all of this.

Lisa

[dug_down_deep]

dug, the car companies have failed...past tense. How much money do you spend to dress up a corps and and try to pass it off at the dance as your date?
Oh, I don't disagree that they've failed in that sense. And if they just get free money without having to do anything constructive with it, we'll just have to do it again in a few years. Hopefully they'll be held to some reasonable standards.

But so many jobs... The potential effects of bankruptcy for all 3 seem pretty dire.