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DMB
29 Apr 2009, 10:08 AM
Following on from concerns about all those UN resolutions against "defamation of religion", can somebody please tell us what is behind this stuff in Ireland?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0429/1224245599892.html

A NEW crime of blasphemous libel is to be proposed by the Minister for Justice in an amendment to the Defamation Bill, which will be discussed by the Oireachtas committee on justice today...

...Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern proposes to insert a new section into the Defamation Bill, stating: “A person who publishes or utters blasphemous matter shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable upon conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding €100,000.”

“Blasphemous matter” is defined as matter “that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion; and he or she intends, by the publication of the matter concerned, to cause such outrage.”

Where a person is convicted of an offence under this section, the court may issue a warrant authorising the Garda Síochána to enter, if necessary using reasonable force, a premises where the member of the force has reasonable grounds for believing there are copies of the blasphemous statements in order to seize them.

When the UK blasphemy law was so recently repealed, after a century and a half of struggle and campaigning, this looks pretty retrograde. I am particularly concerned about the bit I have emboldened. Will the adherents of the Flying Spaghetti Monster cult be able to invoke this? Or what do they mean by "a substantial number of the adherents of that religion"? Would they discriminate against minor religions?

Ray Moscow
29 Apr 2009, 10:11 AM
I think we should start the "Irish Assembly of the Easily Offended", who are appalled by all things Christian or Muslim.

Mung Dynasty
29 Apr 2009, 10:13 AM
How would they prove that the primary purpose of publication was to cause outrage?

David B
29 Apr 2009, 10:20 AM
How would they prove that the primary purpose of publication was to cause outrage?

It doesn't say 'primary' as I look at it at first sight.

The Labour Party amendment looks much better, and would probably render it unworkable.

Labour spokesman on justice Pat Rabbitte is proposing an amendment to this section which would reduce the maximum fine to €1,000 and exclude from the definition of blasphemy any matter that had any literary, artistic, social or academic merit.

David

Mung Dynasty
29 Apr 2009, 10:26 AM
Yep, that amendment would completely knacker the law, as it should in this case.

BigEvil
29 Apr 2009, 10:32 AM
But all I said was Jehovah

DMB
29 Apr 2009, 10:35 AM
Would war-on-drugs types get hauled in for insulting ganja (sacred to Rastas)?

Mung Dynasty
29 Apr 2009, 10:41 AM
Well you couldn't knock the natty dreads or you'd be in deep shit.

TBH though when I saw the OP I thought this had great potential. Given how much religions usually slag off anyone who doesn't belong to their group I had visions of all religious groups successfully suing each other for causing outrage and consequently all disappearing up their own arseholes due to the legal costs. I found this scenario quite delightful.

Cheetah
01 May 2009, 01:53 AM
I was going to post a thread on this over at COEM yesterday but when I took a closer look at the story I decided not to bother. Its a bit of a non-story, because its not going to be passed after all. Our Justice Minister - a prime example of a man promoted beyond his ability - cooked up this idea and scheduled it for debate in Parliament yesterday. His colleagues belatedly realised what a twat he was and "postponed the debate indefinitely."

HinduWoman
01 May 2009, 04:34 AM
If the bill does not get passed does it mean Hindus won't be able to sue the Christians when they eat beef? :spank:

Cheetah
01 May 2009, 04:43 AM
If the bill does not get passed does it mean Hindus won't be able to sue the Christians when they eat beef? :spank:

Yes, but on the upside, Christians won't be able to sue Hindus for saying that there are more than three Gods. :evil:

premjan
01 May 2009, 04:54 AM
Economic troubles cause clinging to guns and religion.

Cheetah
01 May 2009, 04:58 AM
Economic troubles cause clinging to guns and religion.

Sure, but that's irrelevant to Ireland, we've dumped both religion and guns. Our Justice Minister is simply a redneck who thinks that homosexuals can be cured by psychiatric help, and is only in his job because he's related to the former Taoiseach (Prime Minister). He's now been reigned in, and will probly be quietly dumped in the next Cabinet reshuffle.

Mung Dynasty
01 May 2009, 07:09 AM
That's "reined", unless Liz is still running the show over there. :D

Schneibster
05 May 2009, 08:41 AM
I had visions of all religious groups successfully suing each other for causing outrage and consequently all disappearing up their own arseholes due to the legal costs. I found this scenario quite delightful.Indeed. Amusing to contemplate.