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Valheru
18 Jun 2009, 12:51 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193157/Racist-teacher-denied-compensation-poisoned-pupil.html


A black teacher who was poisoned with whiteboard cleaning fluid by one of her own pupils today lost a fight for £700,000 in damages - and was branded a racist by a top judge.

So now namecalling is worse than attempted murder?

The UK has turned into a truly frightening place.

dancer_rnb
18 Jun 2009, 01:18 PM
I saw nothing to say how severely the girl was punished. If it was a white teacher and a black or hispanic child, what would your reaction be to the suit by the teacher?

Faerie
18 Jun 2009, 01:27 PM
I saw nothing to say how severely the girl was punished. If it was a white teacher and a black or hispanic child, what would your reaction be to the suit by the teacher?

I'd be disgusted all the same, a child is a child, and although not condoning the comments the teacher made at all, attempted murder is still attempted murder. There surely are other avenues the child could have followed e.g. reporting the verbal abuse?

We're extremely aware of race and racist remarks in SA, we have to be, however, there are many ways of skinning a cat and to attempt murder as a teenager (I presume she's a teen) and then getting away with it because its justified by what the teacher said to her just spell plenty of future problems for this child as the only lesson she learnt from this is that she can go to extremes to get her own back.

The teacher should by all rights not be teaching at all, she's obviously not capable of dealing with the stresses inflicted upon her. She should have been removed from her post. The child however, should also have received some form of punishment, society should not allow this type of behaviour without some type of correctional action.

dancer_rnb
18 Jun 2009, 01:40 PM
Again, how was the child punished?

As a mixed race person, I've noticed a lot of people can only see racism directed at them. My mom sufferred a lot of it from whites, that experience that must have been shared by her family didn't stop one of my cousins from mom's side of the family being disowned when she married a black. Though it was ok for my mom to marry my dad, who was white.

Matty
18 Jun 2009, 03:01 PM
please dont forget that the Daily Mail is the most racist piece of shit rag that is published in the UK outside of the BNP newsletter.
ANYTHING in that paper should be disregarded as misrepresented bullshit until verified by another source, really.

There is certain to be much more to the story.

LoneWolf
19 Jun 2009, 04:12 AM
I can't find any other versions of the story. I would like to know what punishment the girl received, even if it was only from the school.

Danhalen
19 Jun 2009, 04:26 AM
Whether or not the teacher is a racist she should not be denied compensation for losing her job because of illness brought upon by a poisoning that happened at the school.

It seems to me that the two issues are unrelated. And if the judge sees it otherwise I cannot believe he would dismiss remuneration on account of racist remarks being the impetus for the girl to poison her teacher. Honestly, I think the racism is a separate issue.

premjan
19 Jun 2009, 04:31 AM
She should get her job back.

Monad
19 Jun 2009, 05:21 AM
I'm so pleased that the judge is advocating the killing of racists - finally someone takes racism seriously - I hope his next step will be to issue a warrant for the death penalty for racist scum like Nick Griffin, David Dukes and every member of Stormfront.

Bane
24 Jun 2009, 06:58 PM
Advocating the "Final Solution" as applied to the BNP, Stormfront etc. is as bad as them advocating the "Final Solution" on everyone they hate.

I would hope the girl is punished severely--i.e. getting the sentence one normally would for attempted murder.

Racism is wrong, this I do agree. If a teacher calls a student names, they should receive a penalty for that, like being reprimanded, or suspended.

Pendaric
24 Jun 2009, 07:27 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193157/Racist-teacher-denied-compensation-poisoned-pupil.html


A black teacher who was poisoned with whiteboard cleaning fluid by one of her own pupils today lost a fight for £700,000 in damages - and was branded a racist by a top judge.

So now namecalling is worse than attempted murder?

The UK has turned into a truly frightening place.

I'd certainly want more details and a less biased source than the Daily Mail, but a couple of initial thoughts:

Attempted murder? There is nothing to indicate that the child wished to actually kill the woman. The expectation may have been vomiting and diaorrhea, or a slightly bad taste. If it was seen as a credible attempt at murder, I'm sure there would have been a criminal case against the girl. We are talking about a child who will not have the same understanding of consequences as an adult would.

£700,000? For a bit of discomfort and a few days off work? That's taking the mickey. I'll happily repeat her experience for £7,000.

trendkill
24 Jun 2009, 11:09 PM
The story is clearly very biased in the way it's written, so much so that it's hard to actually determine what facts it's stating at times. Still, it does sound bad that a judge would even bring up the racial remark in a hearing on a matter like this. Could that really be legally relevant?

Attempted murder? There is nothing to indicate that the child wished to actually kill the woman."Attempted murder" is a legal term and may or may not apply, but I would think any attempt to poison someone with a chemical such as cleaning fluid should be assumed to be potentially fatal. This reminds me of this (http://articles.latimes.com/2003/oct/10/local/me-teacher10) case, where a California student tried to poison a teacher with Visine. He used the eyedrops because of an urban legend that they cause diarrhea, so he clearly didn't intend to kill, but he was charged with "tampering with food or drink with intent to harm". With something like whiteboard cleaning fluid, where presumably it was chosen because it happened to be in the classroom and there was no expectation but general toxicity, I think it's even worse. Without further details I would say it's at least even money that the student either intended to kill the teacher or didn't care if she killed her.

Garrett
07 Sep 2009, 12:34 AM
£700,000? For a bit of discomfort and a few days off work? That's taking the mickey. I'll happily repeat her experience for £7,000.
Lots of people would sell their organs for a few thousand bucks. So what? A teacher should not expect attempts to kill her as part of her job.

Oolon Colluphid
07 Sep 2009, 09:45 AM
Attempted murder? There is nothing to indicate that the child wished to actually kill the woman. The expectation may have been vomiting and diaorrhea, or a slightly bad taste. If it was seen as a credible attempt at murder, I'm sure there would have been a criminal case against the girl. We are talking about a child who will not have the same understanding of consequences as an adult would.
Precisely. Seems to me that trying to prove that beyond reasonable doubt would be a non-starter. You'd have to (by definition) prove intent to inflict at least grievous bodily harm, and I suspect you'd have a hard job doing that for an adult.

TTFN, Oolon, A Level Law, 1986

munnki
07 Sep 2009, 10:31 AM
Guys... let's chill out here and review the source... this is a story from the Daily Hate... has it been verified from any other newspaper... googling it I see links from Stormfront and the Daily Mail but no others... it may well be real...but let's be careful with stories from that hate rag...