Pork pies

[DMB]

I think we had some discussion about this at TR some months ago. I thught I would post this article and the accompanying recipe about pork pies for those who like the real thing.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/real_food/article6529494.ece

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/recipes/article6529498.ece

[Ray Moscow]

I thought you were calling someone "bogus" and was hoping to get in on some of that libel reward money!

Pork pies = lies, in rhyming slang, innit?

[Valheru]

^^^ That, or "eyes".

As in "Feast your porkies on this!"

[Matty]

I thought you were calling someone "bogus" and was hoping to get in on some of that libel reward money!

Pork pies = lies, in rhyming slang, innit?

careful everyone, hes gone native. :D

[DMB]

Yes, but in typical rhyming slang fashion, the rhyming bit is omitted. So lies are always "porkies". No-one says "pork pies" and means "lies".

[Matty]

The one i have immense issues explaining over here is Jacobs, for nuts.

[Zygote]

OK, I'll bite.

How does one get from "nuts" to "Jacobs"?

[DMB]

I didn't know that one, but I assume it's knackers > Jacob's crackers (a well-known UK brand).

[Matty]

exactly :)

Jacob's = Jacobs Cream Crackers = Knackers=Bollocks/Nuts/Testicles

Its advanced Cockney that is.

[Zygote]

Something I've always wondered about Cockney:

Is knowing the derivations of the slang terms something a native Cockney speaker would pride himself on? That is, is the use of it sort of a constant inside joke?

Or is the derivation dim and the bonding comes from having a dialect with a distinct vocabulary that is incomprehensible to those on the outside?

[DMB]

It's a bit of both. A lot of these rhyming slang terms (always without the rhyming bit) are adopted as general slang in parts of the UK way outside London.

And often the rhyming bit becomes a bit obscure with the passage of time. Examples:

Barnet (from Barnet Fair) < hair
Tod (as in "all on my tod") (from Tod Sloan, a famous American jockey who died in the 1930s) < own
Hampton (from Hampton Wick) < prick < penis

But rhyming slang is a living language that is constantly being renewed.

[Valheru]

But rhyming slang is a living language that is constantly being renewed.

This. It had its origin as fundamentally Dog Whistle communication, but it turned out to be a surprisingly Good Idea, from a cultural perspective.

[Matty]

It's a bit of both. A lot of these rhyming slang terms (always without the rhyming bit) are adopted as general slang in parts of the UK way outside London.

And often the rhyming bit becomes a bit obscure with the passage of time. Examples:

Barnet (from Barnet Fair) < hair
Tod (as in "all on my tod") (from Tod Sloan, a famous American jockey who died in the 1930s) < own
Hampton (from Hampton Wick) < prick < penis

But rhyming slang is a living language that is constantly being renewed.
True. and Berk of course, which is a highly innocuous term and used by all from wee kiddies to elderly grannies as a low level insult, without actually realising it stems from Berkshire Hunt = Cunt.

[Anne]

jebus guys, can we get back to the food and off the cunts?

[JamesBannon]

I loves some decent pork pies I does (though forget about the mustard and relish).

[Matty]

jebus guys, can we get back to the food and off the cunts?

s'all good eatin.......