You can't have a proper religion without a Prophet

[DMB]

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2171.htm

Buddhism isn't a religion and Bahais are dangerous.

[Anne]

of course, bah'ai is dangerous! They preach peace without killing!

[Anne]

He's wrong, anyway. He said that a prophet can speak form an earlier prophet's book--- the Bab was a prophet who used the Bible and Koran etc...

here's the transcript, btw:

Egyptian Cleric Safwat Higazi: The Bahais Pose a Danger

Following are excerpts from an interview with Egyptian cleric Safwat Higazi, which aired on Al-Nas TV on March 18, 2009.

Safwat Higazi: The Bahai faith is not a religion, just like Zoroastrianism and Buddhism are not religions. Religion is when Allah sends a prophet to this world, with a holy book, or a prophet who preaches the holy book of a previous prophet. Man-made beliefs of any kind – for which no prophet was sent – do not constitute religions. We cannot talk about a Buddhist religion, a Zoroastrian religion, a Babi religion, or a Bahai religion. These are man-made schools of thought.

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Mirza Hussein 'Ali was the first representative from the East to attend meetings of the Zionist association, in the presence of Theodor Herzl.

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They are supported by Zionism – not by the Jews but by global Zionism. Can you imagine someone making a pilgrimage to Acre?!

Interviewer: Or praying towards Acre...

Safwat Higazi: Exactly.

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We shouldn't say that they might pose a danger. They already pose a danger. From now on, they pose a danger.

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In the Jewish religion, a Jew is someone whose mother is Jewish. If a Jewish man marries a non-Jewish woman, his son will not be Jewish.

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A religious ruling issued by the Jewish rabbis of Israel in 1948 – or actually, this ruling was issued in 1936 – stated that any European claiming to be a Jew, but whose mother was non-Jewish, could become a Bahai and enjoy the full rights of the Jews in the land of Zion.

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Documents that have been made public prove that a Bahai brigade was formed in Acre, and fought alongside the Zionists.

[Christina]

They have a retreat center right up the road from me but I have no idea what they do there. All I know is that they're the slowest drivers in the world and if you're stuck behind someone doing 20 in a 40 mph zone up here it's almost certain that they're going there. Oddly enough they also train police dogs.

[Anne]

well, I know they ain't drinking.

(That's a deal breaker for me.--- not individual choice, but a religious ruling against drink)

[Jobar]

Sohy was a Bahai, years ago.

[Anne]

It's a good religion.

Except for that non drinking crap.

IMO, the gods gave us alcohol as a gift. Any religion that says it is bad is false.

[Christina]

well, I know they ain't drinking.

(That's a deal breaker for me.--- not individual choice, but a religious ruling against drink)

I wish they were drinking coffee.

Sohy, is driving 20 miles under the speed limit a rule or are they so peaceful and mellow that they don't notice?

[sohy]

Sohy was a Bahai, years ago.


No. No. My ex husband was one. I was just infatuated with the religion. It's kind of like humanism with plenty of woo. They not only have one prophet, they have two. After the Bab, came Baha'ullah. He's their main dude. His son was also given some special sort of recognition. He came to America to speak and that's how my ex husband's family became Baha'i.

It's a nice religion in many ways, although it's really Utopian. They actually belief that world peace will be accomplished and the rest of the world will look to them for governance. I just found it very attractive in my youthful, war protesting hippie days. Btw, Anne, there are many other rules that I'm sure you wouldn't like. Parental permission to marry. No premarital sex. None involvement in government protests. No women permitted to serve in the Universal House of Justice.

I now consider the religion a very liberal breaking away sect from the Muslim religion. That's where it got it's roots and that's why the Muslims hate and persecute Baha'is in Iran. I've often wondered if the founders of the religion were really atheists who were trying to influence Islam to be less severe. There is a story, probably a myth, that a new convert Baha'i woman took off her head scarf and addressed a large crowd of Muslims and one of the elders slit his throat in protest. That just sounds too good too be true. :D

[Jobar]

Ah. Beg pardon. I thought I recalled you writing that you took part in your ex's Baha'i faith.

[Anne]

I'm sure there are plenty of rules I'd hate, but alcohol is a biggie for me.

Not that I'm a drunk, but without that reaction that changes fruit and grain into wine and beer, we'd not have civilization. Extend it to yeast in general, and no yogurt, no cheese, no leavened bread...

[lpetrich]

I find this very weird, since the Bahai Faith's position on other religions is much like Islam's, that other religions have prophets who are predecessors of their religion's prophets. Prophets like Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad. And as Muslims often imply that those prophets were proto-Muslims, Bahais often imply that those prophets were proto-Bahais.

In fact, they project this revealed-by-a-prophet model onto other religions, regardless of how poor a fit it is. I remember arguing with a Bahai once about whether Hellenic paganism was revealed by some prophet, and he felt sure that it was.

He also claimed that Socrates had studied under King Solomon, and I pointed out lots of counterevidence: King Solomon was much closer in time to Homer than to Socrates, and Socrates did not denounce his society's religion as idolatry or denounce the eating of pork or push circumcision or demand resting every seventh day. But he did not take my counterevidence seriously. He seemed very nice, but his reasoning was totally shoddy.

As to why the Universal House of Justice is all-male, Abdu'l Baha once stated that the reason will "ere long be made manifest as clear as the sun at high noon."

But I think that the reason has already become clear. :evil:

[HinduWoman]

It's a good religion.

Except for that non drinking crap.

IMO, the gods gave us alcohol as a gift. Any religion that says it is bad is false.

Ok then Shiva and Shakti worship are true religions! :D

It is practically a requirement for their more intense worshippers to drink alcohol and offer them to the deities.
And Shiva is often stoned to boot.

[Anne]

:D

Any religion that doesn't allow drink is obviously false... :D

I'm sure false ones also allow drink... ;)

Honey bees, dogs and yeast. If I were a fluffy believer, I'd point to those as proof there is a caring being.