Benedict Arnold (split from 'Vatican cardinal...')

[Notta]

Awk! I'm already discussing this at TR. (http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?p=409236#post409236)
What the fuck you doing over there?? :D

Maybe I should have said "great minds think alike."

[Ray Moscow]

You know Benedict Arnold? He's considered a hero on this side of the pond.

[Lisa0315]

You know Benedict Arnold? He's considered a hero on this side of the pond.

For real??? I never even thought of it like that. Wow!

[Uthgar the Brazen]

The guy who invented eggs?

[Ray Moscow]

For real??? I never even thought of it like that. Wow!

I'm probably stretching it a bit to call him a "hero", because he eventually fell out of favour here, too.

[Lisa0315]

I'm probably stretching it a bit to call him a "hero", because he eventually fell out of favour here, too.

I just never thought about how the British must feel about him. Here, if you call someone a Benedict Arnold, it is an insult.

[Pendaric]

I'm British, and I only vaguely recognise the name. I presume he was an American who went over to the British during the War of Independence?

[Ray Moscow]

I'm British, and I only vaguely recognise the name. I presume he was an American who went over to the British during the War of Independence?

Yeah, a general who switched sides. He's basically the American "Judas".

[Lisa0315]

Yeah, a general who switched sides. He's basically the American "Judas".


Ayup. He won some crucial victories and did not get the recognition he though he deserved. So, he switched sides. Let me see if I can find a short article about him.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold

[Notta]

Oohh....our first thread split!!

Where do I go to register my utter disgust? :evil:

[Lisa0315]

Oohh....our first thread split!!

Where do I go to register my utter disgust? :evil:

I think a recall poll is in order too.

[Brother Daniel]

Ayup. He won some crucial victories and did not get the recognition he though he deserved. So, he switched sides. Let me see if I can find a short article about him.
IIRC, those crucial victories were so crucial that the rebels almost certainly would not have won without him. He was never able to contribute as much to the loyalist side as he had contributed to the rebel side.

[Lisa0315]

IIRC, those crucial victories were so crucial that the rebels almost certainly would not have won without him. He was never able to contribute as much to the loyalist side as he had contributed to the rebel side.

The REBEL side? LOL! I really need to spend some time in Europe. :D

[Notta]

When my parents took us to Savannah, Georgia, in 1964, my 3-year-old brother was chattering away in a restaurant. The waitress came over and said, "Listen to that little Yankee talk!"

Almost 100 years after the Civil War, and we were still "Yankees".

[Lisa0315]

When my parents took us to Savannah, Georgia, in 1964, my 3-year-old brother was chattering away in a restaurant. The waitress came over and said, "Listen to that little Yankee talk!"

Almost 100 years after the Civil War, and we were still "Yankees".

Oh, yeah. That is serious stuff down here.

Lisa

[Brother Daniel]

The REBEL side? LOL! I really need to spend some time in Europe. :D
Hey, I'm in Canada, not Europe. What else am I supposed to call the side that happened to win your Revolutionary War? It's not as if "rebel" is inaccurate, or anything. And I'm not going to use the bullshit term "patriots". Sheesh.

You know, of course, that there are still families in Canada from whom everything they had was confiscated by the rebels, and who are still awaiting compensation after 230+ years? :D

[Lisa0315]

Hey, I'm in Canada, not Europe. What else am I supposed to call the side that happened to win your Revolutionary War? It's not as if "rebel" is inaccurate, or anything. And I'm not going to use the bullshit term "patriots". Sheesh.

You know, of course, that there are still families in Canada from whom everything they had was confiscated by the rebels, and who are still awaiting compensation after 230+ years? :D

Get in line. The government owes the American Indians billions. It was put in "trust", and now there are hundreds of CPA's trying to figure out the exact amount to present to Congress.

Lisa

[Brother Daniel]

Good point there. And Canada isn't innocent on that score, either.

(You'll notice what I wrote for my "location".)

[Lisa0315]

Good point there. And Canada isn't innocent on that score, either.

(You'll notice what I wrote for my "location".)

Interesting! I looked it up and read about the treaty that was rejected.

[Uthgar the Brazen]

Oh, yeah. That is serious stuff down here.

Lisa

It's one of the many reasons I'm so glad to not be there anymore.