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Oolon Colluphid
06 Mar 2009, 10:46 AM
Hat tip to PZ (http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/03/richard_dawkins_banned_in_okla.php) and his fellow bloggers...

As some of you will know, the good Prof is currently on a tour of the US. Well, a state Representative has filed "A Resolution opposing the invitation to Richard Dawkins to speak on campus; [and] encouraging the University of Oklahoma to engage in a certain discussion of certain scientific theories".

WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma is a publicly funded institution which should be open to all ideas and should train students in all disciplines of study and research and to use independent thinking and free inquiry; and
WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma has planned a year-long celebration of the 200th birthday of Charles Darwin and the 150th anniversary of Darwin’s theory of evolution, called the “Darwin 2009 Project”, which includes a series of lectures, public speakers, and a course on the history of evolution; and

WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma, as a part of the Darwin 2009 Project, has invited as a public speaker on campus, Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, whose published opinions, as represented in his 2006 book “The God Delusion”, and public statements on the theory of evolution demonstrate an intolerance for cultural diversity and diversity of thinking and are views that are not shared and are not representative of the thinking of a majority of the citizens of Oklahoma; and

WHEREAS, the invitation for Richard Dawkins to speak on the campus of the University of Oklahoma on Friday, March 6, 2009, will only serve to present a biased philosophy on the theory of evolution to the exclusion of all other divergent considerations rather than teaching a scientific concept.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE 1ST SESSION OF THE 52ND OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE:

THAT the Oklahoma House of Representative strongly opposes the invitation to speak on the campus of the University of Oklahoma to Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, whose published statements on the theory of evolution and opinion about those who do not believe in the theory are contrary and offensive to the views and opinions of most citizens of Oklahoma.

THAT the Oklahoma House of Representatives encourages the University of Oklahoma to engage in an open, dignified, and fair discussion of the Darwinian theory of evolution and all other scientific theories which is the approach that a public institution should be engaged in and which represents the desire and interest of the citizens of Oklahoma.

THAT a copy of this resolution be transmitted to the President of the University of Oklahoma, the Dean of the College of Arts and Science at the University of Oklahoma, and the Chair of the Department of Zoology at the University of Oklahoma.

Way to go to make yourself look reeeally silly...

DMB
06 Mar 2009, 10:55 AM
Is Oklahoma renowned for its intellectual prowess?

Mung Dynasty
06 Mar 2009, 10:58 AM
I'm sure Dawkins would love to discuss alternative scientific theories, if any were available.

Xrikcus
06 Mar 2009, 01:46 PM
What kind of representative thinks that advising a university on who they can talk to is ever going to be seen as a good thing?

Ray Moscow
06 Mar 2009, 01:54 PM
What kind of representative thinks that advising a university on who they can talk to is ever going to be seen as a good thing?

In the US south, the most dumbass politician usually wins. There's nothing to be gained by appealing to the small minority in the reality-based community.

David B
06 Mar 2009, 01:56 PM
Does the University have to take a blind bit of notice?

Ray Moscow
06 Mar 2009, 02:09 PM
Does the University have to take a blind bit of notice?

It looks like a nonbinding resolution, and so I think they can ignore it even if it passes.

Garnet
06 Mar 2009, 02:47 PM
Oh fer fuck sake. It's stuff like this that causes me to disavow the state of my birth. When asked where I'm from, I usually say "Arizona."

BioBeing
06 Mar 2009, 04:59 PM
So they are not letting him in because of acceptance of evolution is "cultural intolerance" and what he thinks about evolution is contrary to what Oklahomans think... doesn't that make them "culturally intolerant" too? They need to ban themselves from Oklahoma!!!

Pendaric
06 Mar 2009, 05:01 PM
As I read it, this is just a proposal from one guy which hasn't passed.

PostMortem
06 Mar 2009, 05:54 PM
as i read it, this is just a proposal from one really dumb guy, who needs a lesson as to why humans evolved knuckles and a right hook, which hasn't passed.

fify

Garnet
06 Mar 2009, 06:18 PM
As I read it, this is just a proposal from one guy which hasn't passed.

The problem is, there are a lot of people who hold those views in Oklahoma.

I'm related to some of them. :o

Ray Moscow
06 Mar 2009, 06:20 PM
If this were Louisiana, I'd say that I'm probably related to most of them.

Garnet
06 Mar 2009, 06:41 PM
Scary, isn't it?

Alethias
08 Mar 2009, 03:53 PM
Is Oklahoma renowned for its intellectual prowess?Well, it is the home of Oral Roberts University. :p

Oolon Colluphid
23 Mar 2009, 01:07 PM
Well now it seems that Oklahoma's state legislature is investigating the University of Oklahoma for hosting Dawkins (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-lukianoff/oklahoma-legislature-inve_b_177473.html).
Last week, however, I received multiple reports that the legislature was now investigating the speech, and I wrote the University of Oklahoma President David Boren directly asking to know if this was true.

Sure enough, I just received confirmation (http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/10344.html) today in a letter from the Open Records Office at the University of Oklahoma. The letter confirms that on the day of Dawkins' speech, Oklahoma State Representative Rebecca Hamilton requested substantial information relating to the speech from Vice President for Governmental Relations Danny Hilliard. Representative Hamilton's exhaustive request included demands for all e-mails and correspondence relating to the speech; a list of all money paid to Dawkins and the entities, public or private, responsible for this funding; and the total cost to the university, including, among other things, security fees, advertising, and even "faculty time spent promoting this event."

Garnet
23 Mar 2009, 01:42 PM
Good grief.

David B
23 Mar 2009, 01:49 PM
Can they say stfu to her?

David

Oolon Colluphid
23 Mar 2009, 02:11 PM
If state representatives are anything like county councillors (a 'click fingers and expect it to happen' attitude ;)), I'd imagine not, David. But as Lukianoff says:
Now that we know this investigation is going on, many questions still need to be answered: What does the state legislature plan to do with this information? Does this mean that any time Richard Dawkins or other evolutionary scientists give speeches about evolution in Oklahoma, they too will be investigated? And perhaps most importantly: Doesn't the Oklahoma legislature have anything better to do?

DMB
23 Mar 2009, 07:36 PM
I wonder what happened to the concept of academic freedom. :confused:

Worldtraveller
23 Mar 2009, 08:34 PM
Academic freedom means not having to submit their religious views to any sort of scrutiny, but they should be allowed to freely impose those same views as 'science' in any classroom they desire.

You don't actually expect consistency from dunderheads like that, do you?? :p