This is some creepy shit right here.

[Valheru]

http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/page8.html


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The second method is the secret repetition method. This involves chanting verses in your mind while performing everyday tasks. It is called the "secret repetition" method because no one around you is aware that you are quoting your verses.

The third method is my variation on the "secret repetition" method which is breaking chapters and verses down into very small parts which allows me to memorize verses even when my mind must be occupied with other things. It takes almost no mental effort to quote very short phrases, and if these short phrases are quoted hundreds of times, putting them together into chapters later is very easy.

Here is an example:

If I were memorizing Acts 5:42, I would break it down in this way:

1) And daily in the temple..., And daily in the temple... (about 100X)
2) ...and in every house..., ...and in every house... (about 100X)
3)...they ceased not to teach and preach..., ...they ceased not to teach and preach... (about 100X)
4)...to teach and preach Jesus Christ., ...to teach and preach Jesus Christ. (about 100X)

Notice the overlapping of sections 3 & 4. This is very helpful.

At this rate I would have the verse memorized in 8 minutes. This may seem like a long time, but remember, this can easily be done while you are about your daily tasks. If you can keep this rate up for only 4 hours, you will have memorized 30 verses! 29 verses is the average length of a new testament chapter.

[Valheru]

THE GUY IS A LOON! Behold:

2. How Do the Sodomites Recruit Others to their Lifestyle?



Every Sodomite in the Bible is a rapist or molester. The Bible tells three sickening stories about Sodomites and every one of the three stories involves someone being violated against their will.



Example #1

And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. – Genesis 9:20-24



The first Sodomite mentioned in the Bible is Ham. Ham took advantage of his own father Noah while he was drunk. He didn’t just see his father’s nakedness; the Bible says that Noah knew what his younger son had done unto him. The first example of homosexuality in the Bible involves a person being violated against his will.



Lolwut - the story doesn't speak about homosexuality AT ALL! It talks about modesty. :rolleyes:

[DMB]

I do sometimes wonder if the purpose of this sort of thing is not to fill your conscious mind with biblical drivel and drive out other thoughts. There is also probably an element of using the words of the holy book as a talisman against the perils of the world.

It is a degree less bad than learning the Koran by heart in a language that you don't know, but no that different.

[Lugubert]

Lolwut - the story doesn't speak about homosexuality AT ALL! It talks about modesty. :rolleyes:
You're wrong.

Somewhat.

You're perfectly correct that the Sodom story mentions no homosexuality. But it's a political case, not about modesty. Add the centuries old Bedouin requirement to te hospitable to foreigners.

The Sodomites had been recently attacked by foreigners. It's more than natural that they would question why the recently arrived immigrant Lot would let foreigners enter their town. Those guys could very well have been foreign spies.

Long before a few contested NT verses, the only contemporary OT cites on Sodom vices will all tell you that the sins of Sodom were lack of hospitality towards strangers and denying the rights of widows. Sex crimes ARE NOT MENTIONED anywhere.

Imagine what's told of the happenings before Lot's house. Literally, according to approved Scripture, all the people of Sodom were there. Men and women, young and old. Would that be a very credible setting for sex crime, with Jewish grannies and their grandchildren watching?

[munnki]

I do sometimes wonder if the purpose of this sort of thing is not to fill your conscious mind with biblical drivel and drive out other thoughts. There is also probably an element of using the words of the holy book as a talisman against the perils of the world.

It is a degree less bad than learning the Koran by heart in a language that you don't know, but no that different.

I'm not sure I'd agree. Learning the Koran by heart in a language that you don't understand is merely a waste of time. Whereas learning nonsense which you do understand (but are incapable of analyzing correctly i.e. disregarding as nonsense) can have highly dangerous outcomes.

[Anne]

THE GUY IS A LOON! Behold:

2. How Do the Sodomites Recruit Others to their Lifestyle?



Every Sodomite in the Bible is a rapist or molester. The Bible tells three sickening stories about Sodomites and every one of the three stories involves someone being violated against their will.



Example #1

And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. – Genesis 9:20-24



The first Sodomite mentioned in the Bible is Ham. Ham took advantage of his own father Noah while he was drunk. He didn’t just see his father’s nakedness; the Bible says that Noah knew what his younger son had done unto him. The first example of homosexuality in the Bible involves a person being violated against his will.



Lolwut - the story doesn't speak about homosexuality AT ALL! It talks about modesty. :rolleyes:

actually, that's an accepted interpretation for the story.

[DMB]

How many kids fancy their (drunken) fathers? Abuse the other way is not uncommon.

[Monad]

THE GUY IS A LOON! Behold:

2. How Do the Sodomites Recruit Others to their Lifestyle?



Every Sodomite in the Bible is a rapist or molester. The Bible tells three sickening stories about Sodomites and every one of the three stories involves someone being violated against their will.



Example #1

And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. – Genesis 9:20-24



The first Sodomite mentioned in the Bible is Ham. Ham took advantage of his own father Noah while he was drunk. He didn’t just see his father’s nakedness; the Bible says that Noah knew what his younger son had done unto him. The first example of homosexuality in the Bible involves a person being violated against his will.



Lolwut - the story doesn't speak about homosexuality AT ALL! It talks about modesty. :rolleyes:

actually, that's an accepted interpretation for the story.

Accepted? Only by idiots or people with sick minds. It's obvious that Ham saw his dad naked and drunk, told his brothers and they stuck some clothes on him to stop him making a fool of himself. Why would he have even told his brothers if he'd just fucked his dad? If anything it sounds like Noah was grateful to his younger son for this act of kindness.

[JamesBannon]

That's what results when people let their prejudices get in the way of interpretation of a story.

[Valheru]

actually, that's an accepted interpretation for the story.

This reminds me of Lihaf ("The quilt") by Ismat Chughtai, and the court case she had to endure because of it, back in India under colonial rule.

The fact is, any interpretation of sodomy by Noah's youngest comes directly from the sex-obsessed mind of the reader. :rolleyes:

[Alethias]

THE GUY IS A LOON! Behold:

2. How Do the Sodomites Recruit Others to their Lifestyle?



Every Sodomite in the Bible is a rapist or molester. The Bible tells three sickening stories about Sodomites and every one of the three stories involves someone being violated against their will.



Example #1

And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. – Genesis 9:20-24



The first Sodomite mentioned in the Bible is Ham. Ham took advantage of his own father Noah while he was drunk. He didn’t just see his father’s nakedness; the Bible says that Noah knew what his younger son had done unto him. The first example of homosexuality in the Bible involves a person being violated against his will.

Lolwut - the story doesn't speak about homosexuality AT ALL! It talks about modesty. :rolleyes:

actually, that's an accepted interpretation for the story.

Accepted? Only by idiots or people with sick minds. It's obvious that Ham saw his dad naked and drunk, told his brothers and they stuck some clothes on him to stop him making a fool of himself. Why would he have even told his brothers if he'd just fucked his dad? If anything it sounds like Noah was grateful to his younger son for this act of kindness.Maybe, but And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him seems to imply otherwise. If I'm out of my gourd drunk and I have clothes on I wasn't aware of before I got drunk, I'm not going to just assume my younger son did it. That doesn't make much sense to me.

But if I awake from a drunk episode and I'm shitting blood and my anus really hurts bad, and I can only think of one way to have gotten that way....It's kind of a natural conclusion to draw from the wording of the story.

[Bane]

Well, it doesn't say anything about sex, really....

It could mean he was humiliated by his son seeing him that way.

[dancer_rnb]

THE GUY IS A LOON! Behold:

2. How Do the Sodomites Recruit Others to their Lifestyle?



Every Sodomite in the Bible is a rapist or molester. The Bible tells three sickening stories about Sodomites and every one of the three stories involves someone being violated against their will.



Example #1

And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. – Genesis 9:20-24



The first Sodomite mentioned in the Bible is Ham. Ham took advantage of his own father Noah while he was drunk. He didn’t just see his father’s nakedness; the Bible says that Noah knew what his younger son had done unto him. The first example of homosexuality in the Bible involves a person being violated against his will.

Lolwut - the story doesn't speak about homosexuality AT ALL! It talks about modesty. :rolleyes:

actually, that's an accepted interpretation for the story.

Accepted? Only by idiots or people with sick minds. It's obvious that Ham saw his dad naked and drunk, told his brothers and they stuck some clothes on him to stop him making a fool of himself. Why would he have even told his brothers if he'd just fucked his dad? If anything it sounds like Noah was grateful to his younger son for this act of kindness.Maybe, but And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him seems to imply otherwise. If I'm out of my gourd drunk and I have clothes on I wasn't aware of before I got drunk, I'm not going to just assume my younger son did it. That doesn't make much sense to me.

But if I awake from a drunk episode and I'm shitting blood and my anus really hurts bad, and I can only think of one way to have gotten that way....It's kind of a natural conclusion to draw from the wording of the story.

Well, maybe if you know about anal sex, and have it on your mind. This is the first I've heard about it.

[Alethias]

Maybe, but And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him seems to imply otherwise. If I'm out of my gourd drunk and I have clothes on I wasn't aware of before I got drunk, I'm not going to just assume my younger son did it. That doesn't make much sense to me.

But if I awake from a drunk episode and I'm shitting blood and my anus really hurts bad, and I can only think of one way to have gotten that way....It's kind of a natural conclusion to draw from the wording of the story.

Well, maybe if you know about anal sex, and have it on your mind. This is the first I've heard about it.I actually remember this, having grown up in a hyper-religious family. When I was real young, I read that and thought "boy, that is odd, the way it is written". It wasn't until I was highly aware of sex in general, sometime in my teenage years, that the thought that it was referring to anal sex even occurred to me. At the time it seemed to me a reasonable explanation for why it would have been worded so oddly.

Another reasonable way to view it of course is that it is worded oddly because the tranlators were klutzy and stupid in their rendering of the original hebrew, but lacking the cultural context, I have no way of knowing if the text carries the implication in the original that it seemed to have to me as a teenage boy.

[Valheru]

You have to do some serious butt-fuckin' damage to make your arse bleed.

[Berthold]

You're perfectly correct that the Sodom story mentions no homosexuality. But it's a political case, not about modesty.
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Imagine what's told of the happenings before Lot's house. Literally, according to approved Scripture, all the people of Sodom were there. Men and women, young and old. Would that be a very credible setting for sex crime, with Jewish grannies and their grandchildren watching?
In the Bible that I had, the people of Sodom are quoted as saying, "Bring them out so that we can know (German erkennen) them." Using this word for anything else than sex would be rare in the Bible I'm familiar with. What does it say in the King James version? Or is anyone present who is an expert on the original?

[lpetrich]

That's Genesis 19:5

I checked on http://www.blueletterbible.org and clicked on the "C" button to get the original text. The word translated as "know" is Strong's H3045, yada` (this BLB page (http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H3045))

It appears several times where "know" in the ordinary sense is a reasonable translation of that word. The BLB page on it gives the verses where one can find it -- a LOT of verses.

[Lugubert]

yada` in every case but two (2)* is used in the sexual sense ONLY by the narrator. In the ca. 900 cases when used by participants (like in Sodom), it's always getting to know, getting to understand, be informed etc.

* Or rather just one: excluding Sodom, it's in Judges 19. In essence, the same story, but twisted differently to suit the respective author's agenda.

[Ray Moscow]

http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/page8.html


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The second method is the secret repetition method. This involves chanting verses in your mind while performing everyday tasks. It is called the "secret repetition" method because no one around you is aware that you are quoting your verses.

The third method is my variation on the "secret repetition" method which is breaking chapters and verses down into very small parts which allows me to memorize verses even when my mind must be occupied with other things. It takes almost no mental effort to quote very short phrases, and if these short phrases are quoted hundreds of times, putting them together into chapters later is very easy.

Here is an example:

If I were memorizing Acts 5:42, I would break it down in this way:

1) And daily in the temple..., And daily in the temple... (about 100X)
2) ...and in every house..., ...and in every house... (about 100X)
3)...they ceased not to teach and preach..., ...they ceased not to teach and preach... (about 100X)
4)...to teach and preach Jesus Christ., ...to teach and preach Jesus Christ. (about 100X)

Notice the overlapping of sections 3 & 4. This is very helpful.

At this rate I would have the verse memorized in 8 minutes. This may seem like a long time, but remember, this can easily be done while you are about your daily tasks. If you can keep this rate up for only 4 hours, you will have memorized 30 verses! 29 verses is the average length of a new testament chapter.

OK, this kind of strange and obsessive mental activity has got to detract from, if not entirely stop, rational thinking.

Which explains many of the converstations one has with extremely religious people.

[Valheru]

It's bloody terrifying! Farkin' zombie people, and they live among us.

[Ray Moscow]

It's bloody terrifying! Farkin' zombie people, and they live among us.

And quite often, they hold high political office.

[Valheru]

I understand the red telephone is droolproof, though. Somebody, somewhere, planned ahead :D