Behold: We are witnessing the birth of the thought crime.

[Valheru]

Source (http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2009/10/29/11570841.html)

A man got the minimum sentence of 14 days in jail Thursday for possessing child pornography — stories about sex involving teen girls and incest he wrote himself and never tried to publish or share.

While I don't necessarily condone the subject matter of his stories - this court action is pure fascism.

[RexT]

Source (http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2009/10/29/11570841.html)

A man got the minimum sentence of 14 days in jail Thursday for possessing child pornography — stories about sex involving teen girls and incest he wrote himself and never tried to publish or share. While I don't necessarily condone the subject matter of his stories - this court action is pure fascism.Well, it's hardly its birth, just its resurrection. Fascism will never die. It resurfaces when there is an opportunity.

One should be vigilant to remember that it is not the popular thoughts that need protection but the unpopular ones.

[Alex]

Is the possession of pornography against the law in Canada? If it is, why is it "fascist" to prosecute this man - who admitted producing it and hasn't been deprived of any rights in his own defence? It might be a more than justified response (to give him 14 days in jail) but what's particularly "fascist" about the way the authorities have behaved?

[Preno]

The law defines child pornography as material whose “dominant characteristic is the description, for a sexual purpose, of sexual activity” with someone under 18.That's an idiotic definition. Fiction is not child pornography.

Would it also have been a crime in Canada if he wrote down a rape fantasy? Or a sexual fantasy which involved, say, embezzlement of a large amount of money?
During a two-year probation order, he has to take any treatment suggested by a psychiatrist, stay off the Internet and away from girls under 18 without supervision.Wtf. Seriously, this hysteria about anything which is even remotely connected with both children/teenagers and sex has to stop. A person who writes erotic stories about teenagers is not eo ipso a pedophile (and a pedophile is not eo ipso a child molester or a potential child molester), that's just retarded.

[dancer_rnb]

What kin of laws does Germany have against portrayal of things asociated with Naziism?

[Alex]

There are lots of different opinions about what constitutes pornographic material. Presumably the definition adopted in Canadian law was arrived at after public debate and discussion in the legislature. If it's considered an inappropriate definition by a majority of Canadians, they can elect politicians on the promise of bringing in a more liberal law. That couldn't be done in a fascist state.

[Matty]

holy shit, i once wrote a really really bad short story about a bank robbery.
Does that mean i can be nicked for conspiracy to commit a crime and possession of some bad writing too?

What utter wank. Yeah if this guy is fantasising about paedophillic interactions then he hes fucked up imo, but if hes done nothing wrong other than write some fiction then really this is fucking retarded. I'd rather someone with those tendencies vent it by writing fiction than fucking acting on it. jesus assrimming christ, this planet is fucked up sometimes.

Fascism, nah. Ridiculous moral mommying to the point of censorship of tasteless but harmless material, yes.


Now if it were his DIARY he were writing......................

[Anne]

If that's the way the law is written, then he should go to jail.

If that's the way the law is written, it's a fucking insane law.

I hope it changes over this. WTF? I better go clear my hard drive...

[Dana Garrett]

I'm surprised that the man pleaded guilty to the offense since, according to the article, the law carves out an exception for artistic purposes.

[Berthold]

What kin of laws does Germany have against portrayal of things asociated with Naziism?
Glorification, denial of crimes, and the buildup of successor organizations are forbidden.

Germany and Austria do have a special sensitivity on this; I'm aware that this is not readily understood elsewhere.

[DMB]

The problem with child porn is that most of it depicts real child abuse. In order to crack down on the abuse, it is necessary to crack down on the porn that helps to fuel it. I suppose the law is not written to distinguish between pure fantasy and the real thing.

[Valheru]

But that's a slippery slope in the most classic sense of the term, Diana.

[His Noodly Appendage]

If that's the way the law is written, then he should go to jail.

If that's the way the law is written, it's a fucking insane law.


Um, no.

If that's the way the law is written, it's a fucking insane law and he should not go to jail.

I mean, by definition, seriously.

A fucking insane law is one that mandates a course of action contrary to what should be done.

If it were the case hat he ought to go to jail, then a law mandating such would be perfectly fine.

[DMB]

When people write laws they don't usually think of everything that they could cover. There are many, many examples of laws having completely unintended consequences. Subsequent legislation is usually needed to clean them up. In the meantime, there will always be people who unfairly fall victim to them.

I don't see how it can be avoided. After all, a lot of people (lawyers) make a living finding loopholes in laws.

The only thing is to make a big stink when someone suffers unfairly, as in this case.

[Yahzi]

I'm surprised that the man pleaded guilty to the offense since, according to the article, the law carves out an exception for artistic purposes.
Assuming the Canadian system is anything like the American system, he pleaded guilty to one charge so he wouldn't be prosecuted for 10 charges.

The nice thing about making everything illegal is you can always offer your victims an attractive plea deal. :evil:

[dancer_rnb]

What kin of laws does Germany have against portrayal of things asociated with Naziism?
Glorification, denial of crimes, and the buildup of successor organizations are forbidden.

Germany and Austria do have a special sensitivity on this; I'm aware that this is not readily understood elsewhere.

Not necessarily. Dad's parents came from Germany between the wars.

[dug_down_deep]

Yeah, this is insane.

We should dig up Huxley and throw his ass in jail too, I guess.

[Bane]

It is insane, yes.

I am going to bed and will look up the relevant UK law tomorrow in order to compare and contrast.

[muidiri]

Egads. What a ridiculous interpretation of the law. While I don't necessarily condone his preferred fapping matierial... I think this is pretty much an abomination of what laws are supposed to do.

[laughing dog]

He's paid a pretty heavy price

He’s lost his job; his wife of 16 years “wants nothing to do with him”; and his religious community, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, are aware of what he’s done., but I find the JW part sorta ironic.

[dug_down_deep]

The JW's are filled with pedophiliac elders. Like any other cult.