Thanks for the invite!

[Mediancat]

Good to be here. Looks good so far.

Rob

[DMB]

Hi, Rob! -- and welcome!

We're a bit thin on the ground so far, but from little acorns...:)

[Anne]

hey Rob, nice to see you part of a community again.

yes, you know me.

:p

[Notta]

hey Rob, nice to see you part of a community again.

yes, you know me.

:p
Good choice to change your nom de plume.

[Mediancat]

As for me, apart from my S-S identity over at TR, I'm Mediancat from here on out.

Rob

[Pendaric]

Real pleased to see you here Rob.

[Mung Dynasty]

Hiya Robcat.

[RBH]

Welcome, Rob. Good to see you.

[Mediancat]

Welcome, Rob. Good to see you.

You too.

Rob

[Jobar]

Welcome from me too, Rob.

Um. If you feel that I've said anything unfair or objectionable to you or about you over the past year, I offer my apologies. I never cussed you out or anything, but I may have dissed you in ways you didn't deserve. As I've learned more about what went down at II/FR, my respect for your actions has grown.

I hope to see you on SC regularly.

[Mediancat]

Don't worry. All is more or less forgiven. There are only a few people whose actions I regard as unforgivable, and none of them are here.

Rob

[David B]

I seem to have missed this one, so a belated welcome, Rob

[Stout Drinker]

Good seeing you here Rob.

[Oolon Colluphid]

Hiya Rob.

Oolon (is right chuffed to see Rob here)

[Mediancat]

Thanks, Oolon. (I think. Assuming the definition of "chuffed" is what I think it is.)

Rob

[Oolon Colluphid]

"Very pleased" :)

[David B]

I think I can see the grounds for confusion:)

[Cath B]

Hi Mediancat

[Mediancat]

I think I can see the grounds for confusion:)

Just a phrase I'd never heard before. I assumed it was "pleased" or some equivalent.

Rob

[DMB]

It's British slang.

[Arctish]

Hi, Rob. It's good to see you again.

[Spherical Time]

Don't worry. All is more or less forgiven. There are only a few people whose actions I regard as unforgivable, and none of them are here.

RobYet. You forgot the modifier "yet."

[Mediancat]

You weren't one of them, ST.

Rob

[BWE]

Hi Rob. Apparently, these people already know you and you have some history that might be interesting in message board circles. :)

I've seen your name at the pagan place site. How did you come to know these folks?

[Mediancat]

I was one of the administrators at IIDB when The Great Unpleasantness occurred -- I still am an admin (officer) at FRDB, IIDB's successor. I did, by and large, my damnedest to answer people's questions about what was going on, and stayed on to try to mitigate some of the later difficulties.

Rob

[Anne]

Rob was the first admin to enter the fray during the debacle and start a thread where he would answer the questions of the general public.

It was through his efforts that we learned that the admins had been as much in the dark as the mods and the users.

He has continued to try to maintain a relationship with iidb/frdb and it's former users. He has an official liason thread over at ratpags.

He is also the only admin from the debacle still on staff there. This has led to some ... colorful comments about his character.

[Christina]

I think that the general rule of thumb is that any staff that left more than 5 minutes after you did is an ass-kissing authoritarian asshole. The details don't really matter ;)

(There were real feelings involved and people got hurt, but my vote is for us all to get over it unless it was truly personal.)

[Mediancat]

I'm more than willing as well. I have no plans to fire unless fired upon.

Rob

[BWE]

I'm over it. :) I guess it's easy when there was no it for me to overcome. :) :)

[Spherical Time]

I'm more than willing as well. I have no plans to fire unless fired upon.

RobWell then, I should point out that if I'd lasted another week, I probably would have raised the issue of you stepping down.

It was fairly obvious that you weren't pulling your weight as an Admin for at least six months prior to the great unpleasantness. It was nearly impossible to get you to comment in the MCR, and of the seven Admins you spent the least time on complaints and reported threads. Heck, you were barely posting in the ACR.

I disagreed with ToM, but at least he was trying to do his job occasionally.

I wasn't expecting you to be a Roland98 or a Ravenscape, but if you're going to wear the Administrator title, more than a few posts in M&PC every few days is usually a good start.

[Spherical Time]

Also:

Hey there buddy. How's it going?

[Mediancat]

I remember you saying that. I could make any one of several arguments about it, but at this point there's no point to it.

I disagree with your assessment, though.

So: Things are going fine. And with you?

Rob

[BWE]

Whaa?

I mean...

Whoah there Nelly!

[Mediancat]

Not planning to return fire. Don't worry about it.

Rob

[Spherical Time]

I disagree with your assessment, although we all have our streaks of occasional inactivity.True. But most of us don't stay on staff through "occasional inactivity." Lots of people stepped down because they weren't able to log in every day, much less every third day.

And I hear that you're still on staff. Still pulling your fair share?

So: Things are going fine. And with you?

RobAs I can't find a job, I'm being forced to move in with friends. I broke my foot a couple of months ago, and I'm recovering from the flu.

Happily, I'll be nearer to my boyfriend.

[Anne]

uh...

You really want to go there?

[Mediancat]

He may; I don't.

Rob

[Spherical Time]

I think that the general rule of thumb is that any staff that left more than 5 minutes after you did is an ass-kissing authoritarian asshole. The details don't really matter ;)Hey now. Some people actually stood up for their morals. You don't remember the mass resignations of the Admins? ;)

(There were real feelings involved and people got hurt, but my vote is for us all to get over it unless it was truly personal.)Heheheh. I've read what was said about me. I was removed because someone didn't like me, and then they called me incompetent for, you know, doing my job. I think I can safely say that it was personal.

[Spherical Time]

uh...

You really want to go there?Sorry. Your name doesn't ring a bell. You are?

He may; I don't.

RobHe already had his say while I sat around for a week and shut the hell up about it.

Then again, he wasn't the one removed from staff for raising an objection, either.

[Mediancat]

ST, why are you looking to start a fight? I came under a shitload of fire, from some of the people here, even, and I have more or less agreed to let bygones be bygones about 99% of it.

I would appreciate it if you would do the same.

Rob

[Spherical Time]

ST, why are you looking to start a fight? I came under a shitload of fire, from some of the people here, even, and I have more or less agreed to let bygones be bygones about 99% of it.

I would appreciate it if you would do the same.

RobI'm not looking to start a fight. I don't think that you understand that I'm in a different position than most of the people who you took fire from.

Seriously, this is personal to me. And it's not like I can just forgive you for it.

But seriously, if you want me to let bygones be bygones, maybe an unqualified apology with some acknowledgment of what happened would be a good place to start.

[Oolon Colluphid]

Perhaps another venue down the hall, chaps? You can't fight in here, this is the war welcome room!

:)

[Spherical Time]

Perhaps another venue down the hall, chaps? You can't fight in here, this is the war welcome room!

:)No. I think it's over now. I've asked before, and never gotten a response to that request.

[Mediancat]

I'm not looking to start a fight. I don't think that you understand that I'm in a different position than most of the people who you took fire from.

Seriously, this is personal to me. And it's not like I can just forgive you for it.

But seriously, if you want me to let bygones be bygones, maybe an unqualified apology with some acknowledgment of what happened would be a good place to start.

I do acknowledge that you're coming from a different place. I understand that it's personal.

The problem is, our perceptions of what happened are wildly different, if I remember correctly. If I apologize for that, then I would be acknowledging that your perceptions are accurate -- and I cannot do so without being hypocritical, and I suspect you don't want a pro forma apology.

I have no hostility towards you at this point. That is the most I can say.

Rob

[Mediancat]

oops, sorry, Oolon; am at work, left this open for a while, and missed your admonition. Will not respond further.

Rob

[Oolon Colluphid]

No no, it's not an admonition, we're not that stuffy, you can fight if you like (as long as you're not jerks about it ;)). Just that I'll move it to somewhere else, rather than the :grouphug: room. :D

[Anne]

Sorry. Your name doesn't ring a bell. You are?


Does it matter?

Does my statement become more or less valid based on who I am?

[Brianna]

Does it matter?

Does my statement become more or less valid based on who I am?

No, he just wants to know why you are sticking your nose into his business. (I am guessing)

But out and let them have their words, (I am trying to as well)

Some things just need closure (Again guessing)

[Mediancat]

The closure he wants, as was noted above, is not something I can give him.

Rob

[Brianna]

The closure he wants, as was noted above, is not something I can give him.

Rob

I am staying out of it.

[Anne]

No, he just wants to know why you are sticking your nose into his business. (I am guessing)

But out and let them have their words, (I am trying to as well)

Some things just need closure (Again guessing)

If that's the case, then he should have sent it in pm.

Posting it in public invites people in.

And I'm surprised at you, Bri, after telling people to just get over TR, which is a much more recent wound. :dunno:

[Brianna]

If that's the case, then he should have sent it in pm.

Posting it in public invites people in.

And I'm surprised at you, Bri, after telling people to just get over TR, which is a much more recent wound. :dunno:

I don't recall telling people to get over TR. I do wish they'd quit talking about it so much.

I really think that sometimes some people need to mind their own business, but it is like talking to a brick wall sometimes.

Jesus Christ. You are just real good at finding flesh wounds and pouring salt in them aren't you?

[Jobar]

Enough. Best to let all this drop.

[Oolon Colluphid]

Argumentish stuff split here (http://secularcafe.org/showthread.php?t=3258), and this locked.

TTFN, Oolon, Secular Café Administrator