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munnki
31 Jan 2010, 07:43 PM
When I take a moment to wonder why I ended up on this forum. I think of several things. This (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/feb/21/religion.highereducation) article summarizes quite neatly the main reason.

A growing number of science students on British campuses and in sixth form colleges are challenging the theory of evolution and arguing that Darwin was wrong. Some are being failed in university exams because they quote sayings from the Bible or Qur'an as scientific fact and at one sixth form college in London most biology students are now thought to be creationists.
Earlier this month Muslim medical students in London distributed leaflets that dismissed Darwin's theories as false. Evangelical Christian students are also increasingly vocal in challenging the notion of evolution.

In the United States there is growing pressure to teach creationism or "intelligent design" in science classes, despite legal rulings against it. Now similar trends in this country have prompted the Royal Society, Britain's leading scientific academy, to confront the issue head on with a talk entitled Why Creationism is Wrong. The award-winning geneticist and author Steve Jones will deliver the lecture and challenge creationists, Christian and Islamic, to argue their case rationally at the society's event in April.

This and a comment I made, perhaps unthinkingly, which revealed to me the depth of my feeling about this issue. A colleague in work asked me why I disliked Religious Studies as a subject on the curriculum. I responded "because I think it could encourage toleration of religious belief". There was literally a stunned silence at the meeting due to my comment. I thought about it as my colleagues reacted. I stand by it today. Too much is given to people based on their false mythologies of the universe. Now we stand, at least according to this article and others I've read, at the edge of the abyss - and we are in danger of jumping in.

I don't for a moment advocate violence against such people. Nor even impoliteness. And I am, despite my sometimes colorful language, a polite guy. I just don't see why nonsense worldviews should be given free rein.

This is why I try to spend at least some time in the company of humanists and atheists - because this nonsense is very harmful to our health.

At least that's my point of view.

Politesse
31 Jan 2010, 09:35 PM
I find that some use the term "polite" as though it meant "well-spoken" rather than "courteous".

phands
31 Jan 2010, 11:17 PM
"because I think it could encourage toleration of religious belief".

Perfect. Love it.

If they're challenging evolution, that's fine, as long as it's on a credible scientifically valid basis. If it's IDiocy, then they deserve a barbed-wire enema.

Haswell
01 Feb 2010, 12:35 AM
Anyone expressing religious views in a science exam deserves the can. I hope that isn't too impolite.

When will these people understand that science doesn't mind in the slightest if you question Darwin. Good science is all about that. But you have to come up with evidence to support what you assert. Not scripture.

Great comeback by the way. I wish I had seen their faces.

sohy
01 Feb 2010, 01:57 PM
I'm really sorry to hear that the American stupidity in regards to evolution seems to be catching on your side of the pond.

I think your remarks were very appropriate. I think it's possible to be kind and tolerant toward religious people without them thinking that you tolerate their beliefs. I do it all the time. If I didn't, I'd probably would have a stress ulcer by now from living in the heart of the Bible Belt. My comments have never convinced anyone that I'm right, but every now and then, I meet someone that is either a nontheist or a very skeptical Xian. For that reason alone, it's worth voicing an opinion on these issues when you live in a place like I do.

Haswell
01 Feb 2010, 05:23 PM
I think its important that they know you don't tolerate their beliefs.

That way they don't try and impose a de facto position on you and if you pursue the right guerilla tactics you can mess with their beliefs nicely.

I was in a discussion recently about the Ten commandments. One guy said they were an ideal way to live your life. I mentioned that if the creator of the universe had stated "Thou shalt not keep slaves" the world historically would have been a far better place. At least the guy had the decency to scratch his head.