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rog
04 Mar 2010, 02:12 PM
Members of Islamic Forum Europe, despite what their defenders say, are concealing their real views in order to win power

When we at Channel 4 set out to make our Dispatches programme on the fundamentalist Islamic Forum of Europe, we could almost have written the complaints in advance. And that, it turns out, is precisely what our new friends in the IFE did.

As early as 22 February, according to emails kindly leaked to us by our IFE snouts, they were circulating sizzling, oven-ready template letters ("I write to express my disgust and disappointment at Channel 4's wholly inaccurate and defamatory accusations ... The documentary is Islamophobic in nature ... uses emotive and provocative language ... is part of a series of organised, vindictive and orchestrated witch-hunts") about a programme still nearly a week from air.

Fascinatingly, the IFE's response since the actual broadcast has been much more muted. Perhaps the unequivocal statement by the local Labour MP, Jim Fitzpatrick, that they have infiltrated his party; or the squirming refusal of the local Labour council leader, Lutfur Rahman, to deny it; or the 110% growth in Labour members in the area in two years, many of them with the same names as people we can link to the IFE – perhaps these have silenced a few of those concerns about "inaccuracy."

Perhaps our unemotive, factual quotation from original IFE documents has helped still those complaints about "defamation" and "vindictiveness". Such as, for instance, the transcript of a 2009 recruit training course where the organisation tells its new members: "Our goal is not simply to invite people and give da'wah [call to the faith]. Our goal is to create the True Believer, to then mobilise those believers into an organised force for change who will carry out da'wah, hisbah [enforcement of Islamic law] and jihad [struggle]. This will lead to social change and iqamatud-Deen [an Islamic social, economic and political order]."

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/mar/04/islamic-forum-europe-dispatches-gilligan
Link to the dispatches episode: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-54/episode-1

This can of worms is going to throw suspicion on to many well intentioned Muslims in UK politics, if it's not handled sensitively many people could be further alienated.

DMB
04 Mar 2010, 07:26 PM
As a first approximation, the majority of organisations purporting to speak on behalf of Muslims are full of shit. Certainly any that spray out accusations of "Islamophobia" (a good marketing term but meaning nothing) can safely be discounted. They're dishonest. Witness the MCB.

rog
04 Mar 2010, 10:08 PM
Whilst I might agree, we have to be careful that we don't start to categorize all Muslims as potential jihadis - I accept and expect that a portion of Muslims will have extremist views that are anathema to our way of life, but I am wary of any reactions that might ultimately prove to be divisive within our society.

David B
04 Mar 2010, 10:13 PM
Whilst I might agree, we have to be careful that we don't start to categorize all Muslims as potential jihadis - I accept and expect that a portion of Muslims will have extremist views that are anathema to our way of life, but I am wary of any reactions that might ultimately prove to be divisive within our society.

Yup. But I suspect that not getting the extremists on board will serve us better for getting the reasonable people who happen to be brought up as Muslims on board.

David

rog
04 Mar 2010, 10:19 PM
Whilst I might agree, we have to be careful that we don't start to categorize all Muslims as potential jihadis - I accept and expect that a portion of Muslims will have extremist views that are anathema to our way of life, but I am wary of any reactions that might ultimately prove to be divisive within our society.

Yup. But I suspect that not getting the extremists on board will serve us better for getting the reasonable people who happen to be brought up as Muslims on board.

David

That's the thing about extremists, they tend to be extreme :) to my mind it is better to separate them ideologically from the Muslim mainstream - but this is a thing that the Muslim community must seek to do for themselves, I can understand though how they [normal Muslims] might feel annoyed at constantly having to prove that they are not terrorist sympathisers...

DMB
04 Mar 2010, 11:52 PM
My point is that most of those who claim to speak for Muslims are self-appointed and unrepresentative.

rog
04 Mar 2010, 11:56 PM
My point is that most of those who claim to speak for Muslims are self-appointed and unrepresentative.

I agree, sorry If our wires got crossed :) but I think that my wider still point stands.

DMB
05 Mar 2010, 12:00 AM
rog, you should consider a documentary about the working of the OIC within the UN. I could probably help you in various ways.

rog
05 Mar 2010, 12:03 AM
rog, you should consider a documentary about the working of the OIC within the UN. I could probably help you in various ways.

If only I had the skill! Maybe we could have a thread that turned in to a collaborative essay to be submitted to the freethinker?

TySixtus
05 Mar 2010, 05:09 PM
It is permitted to deceive the infidel. They have religious sanction to lie and be deceptive. It's why you can't trust any of that shit.