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DMB
29 May 2010, 03:29 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/worshippers-slaughtered-in-deadly-final-warning-1986188.html

Police said that at least seven attackers were involved, including three bombers and a gunman mounted atop a minaret who sprayed bullets into the crowds of worshippers below. "It was like a war going on around me," said Luqman Ahmed, who was at the second mosque in the Model Town neighbourhood. "I kept on praying, 'May God save me from this hell.'"

The attack on that mosque, near the centre of Pakistan's second city, ended fairly quickly, with commandos storming the building to find scores of dead bodies on different floors. Two of the four gunmen are thought to have escaped.

In Garhi Shahu, the death toll is thought to be higher. Three militants held several people hostage inside the mosque in a siege that lasted four hours. "They fought the police for some time, but on seeing they were being defeated they exploded themselves," said Sajjad Bhutta, Lahore's top police official.

...Several media outlets also received a text message of responsibility from the Pakistani Taliban and the "Punjabi wing" of al-Qa'ida, a hitherto-unknown group. "This is a final warning to the [Ahmadis]," said the chilling message, "Leave Pakistan or prepare for death at the hands of Muhammad's devotees."

The Ahmadi sect is perhaps the worst treated of Pakistan's long-suffering minority groups. In the 1970s, bowing to pressure from hardliners, Pakistan declared them to be non-Muslims. Ever since, they have suffered periodic attacks, with many – including the current spiritual leader – forced to flee the country. But yesterday's twin attacks caused the largest loss of life suffered by the sect in a single day.

It showed a broadening of the militants' targets. Similar coordinated attacks have scarred Lahore throughout Pakistan's three-year wave of terror but they usually focus on security installations or personnel, not minority groups. "The blurring of lines between the Taliban and Sunni sectarian militants places heterodox communities like the Ahmadis in double jeopardy," said Ali Dayan Hasan of Human Rights Watch.

...Leaders of the Ahmadi community, many of whom have been based in Britain since they fled Pakistan in the early 1980s, called on the Pakistani authorities to do more to protect minority religions from violent extremists. "Ahmadi Muslims epitomise the peaceful practice of Islam and to target them highlights that extremists will leave no stone unturned in their quest to spread terror," said Rafiq Hayat, President of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK.

It's not safe to be a peaceful Muslim in Pakistan. What a hell hole!

Politesse
29 May 2010, 09:44 PM
Sometimes I hope their creed proves true, for these murderous bastards of a greater faith will surely never taste paradise. God does not love the transgressor.

Aupmanyav
01 Jun 2010, 04:02 PM
God would have objected if the murdered were muslims, Ahmadiyyas are not, they blasphame.

Loren Pechtel
01 Jun 2010, 07:29 PM
God would have objected if the murdered were muslims, Ahmadiyyas are not, they blasphame.

We have here a perfect example of the dangers of Islam.

rog
01 Jun 2010, 07:32 PM
God would have objected if the murdered were muslims, Ahmadiyyas are not, they blasphame.

We have here a perfect example of the dangers of Islam.

Your understanding of perfect and mine differ radically.
I notice you've been quiet in your support of Israel today.

B.H.
02 Jun 2010, 03:43 AM
The Ahmadis were the first Muslims to send missionaries as such to the United States back in the 1890's and early 1900's.

Aupmanyav
02 Jun 2010, 07:54 AM
Ahmadiyyas are not muslims. For them, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is 'Mahdi'.

Politesse
02 Jun 2010, 08:31 AM
God would have objected if the murdered were muslims, Ahmadiyyas are not, they blasphame.

Whoever takes life when they do not need to is a transgressor of bounds. Whoever does violence for attack rather than defense is a transgressor. It does not matter whose life, because Allah has made all life sacred. These transgressors will burn for eternity, watching as their victims cross over the span into the gardens of paradise.

DMB
02 Jun 2010, 01:26 PM
Ahmadiyyas are not muslims. For them, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is 'Mahdi'.

This sort of statement is an almost exact parallel of the attitude that the RCC used to have to Protestants. Of course, a few centuries later we get an amusing reversal, where the more fundy Protestants deny that Catholics are true Christians.

This sort of thing simply reveals modern Islam in most of its forms as a really bigoted religion.

Ray Moscow
02 Jun 2010, 01:39 PM
God would have objected if the murdered were muslims, Ahmadiyyas are not, they blasphame.

That's a rather stupid comment all around.

1. All religions blaspheme other religions. So what?
2. They think they are "Muslims", but that's not important. They were human beings, and that's enough.
3. If "God" existed he/she/it wouldn't put up with this shit, if he/she/it were worth a damn. You either have no God or a worthless one.
4. Killing people over religion, or anything other belief system, is terribly wrong and can't be justified.

Aupmanyav
03 Jun 2010, 09:43 AM
It does not matter whose life, because Allah has made all life sacred. These transgressors will burn for eternity, watching as their victims cross over the span into the gardens of paradise. Haha. Nice, and quite a fair deal. Only that the victims of terrorism die now. The victims, most of the time, are non-muslims, so they are not eligible for paradise.

@Ray Moscow

2. They think they are "Muslims", but that's not important. They were human beings, and that's enough.: If that was enough, they would not have been targeted repeatedly since the formation of Pakistan, just as Shias are. Of course, Allah said 'leave it to me', but who listens to Allah?
3. If "God" existed he/she/it wouldn't put up with this shit, if he/she/it were worth a damn. You either have no God or a worthless one.: Yes, Allah will put the wrong doers in hell whenever 'qiyamah' happens but no sooner than that.
4. Killing people over religion, or anything other belief system, is terribly wrong and can't be justified.:Again, people do not seem to listen to Allah, and He does not seem to be in a hurry to act.

Politesse
03 Jun 2010, 09:48 AM
God saves whom he will.

Aupmanyav
03 Jun 2010, 10:07 AM
God saves whom he will.That means Allah wants terrorism and wants people to die in such acts, 9.11, London bombings, Russian bombings, Spain bombing, Iraq bombings, Afghan bombings, Bali bombing, and of course, Bombay and other Indian bombings.

Politesse
03 Jun 2010, 10:13 AM
God saves whom he will.That means Allah wants terrorism and wants people to die in such acts, 9.11, London bombings, Russian bombings, Spain bombing, Iraq bombings, Afghan bombings, Bali bombing, and of course, Bombay and other Indian bombings.Or it means, far more likely, that those who perpetrated those acts have transgressed His will.

Ray Moscow
03 Jun 2010, 10:24 AM
Oh, I don't know. If Allah/Yahweh/Real God is planning to torture the majority of humanity forever anyway, as the Bible and Quran assert, I can't imagine he'd care that much if some got slaughtered a bit early.

Luckily, Allah/Yahweh/Real God is fictional.

Politesse
03 Jun 2010, 06:44 PM
Luckily, Allah/Yahweh/Real God is fictional.

Well, not to these terrorist assholes he ain't.

B.H.
03 Jun 2010, 10:39 PM
Ahmadiyyas are not muslims. For them, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is 'Mahdi'.


I'll let Allah decide who is considered a Muslim and who is not. We all learn and grow over our lives. I do not believe Ahmad was a mahdi but someone born into that community may sincerely worship Allah and seek to serve him, and as he learns and grows and comes to understand Ahmad is not the mhadi then his good works will not be lost nor his faith.

Aupmanyav
04 Jun 2010, 02:58 PM
Otherwise Allah has cauldrons of boiling old ready to pour on their head till their brains melt.

B.H.
06 Jun 2010, 05:50 AM
Otherwise Allah has cauldrons of boiling old ready to pour on their head till their brains melt.


Yes, he has all of those things but it is Allah's place to decide who is punished with such things and not you.

espritch
07 Jun 2010, 09:14 PM
"Leave Pakistan or prepare for death at the hands of Muhammad's devotees."

The more of this kind of crap I hear, the more convinced I become that the world would be a better place today if Muhammad's mother had strangled him with his umbilical cord the day he was born.

espritch
07 Jun 2010, 09:18 PM
God saves whom he will.

God does nothing.

espritch
08 Jun 2010, 02:50 AM
God would have objected if the murdered were muslims, Ahmadiyyas are not, they blasphame.

It's amusing when people who believe fucking nonsense call people who believe slightly different versions of the same fucking nonsense blasphemers. However, when the believers in the fucking nonsense start killing the believers in the slightly different version of the fucking nonsense, it ceases to be amusing.

The fact that God (or Allah or whatever you want to call him) allows such atrocities to be committed in his name is compelling proof that God doesn't actually exist.

Jobar
08 Jun 2010, 03:11 AM
And some wonder why we outspoken atheists call for the extinguishing of religion.

Angra Mainyu
08 Jun 2010, 03:21 AM
Side note: Aupmanyav is an atheist (just in case there is some misunderstanding). :)