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DMB
17 Aug 2010, 08:46 AM
Not all priests stray from celibacy by abusing children. Plenty also have sexual relationships with women. See this article

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/16/catholic-church-celibacy-rule

Stephen was eight years old when he first heard his father disown him. The two were out for the day together when Stephen fell into a game of cricket with some local children, and another parent asked whose child he was. Stephen's father swiftly denied he was his. The child was "the son of one of my parishioners", said the dog-collared priest – a description that was truthful as far as it went, but omitted a vital detail. To Stephen, it felt like an outright dismissal. More than 30 years later, being the half-acknowledged son of a Roman Catholic priest has cast an enduring shadow over his life. . .

. . . His experience is far from unique. It's been estimated that there are at least 1,000 people in Britain and Ireland whose fathers were priests at the time of their conception. And in May this year, dozens of Italian women who have had relationships with Roman Catholic priests or lay monks sent an open letter to the Pope calling for the abolition of the celibacy rule. The letter argued that a priest "needs to live with his fellow human beings, experience feelings, love and be loved". It also pleaded for sympathy for those who "live out in secrecy those few moments the priest manages to grant [us], and experience on a daily basis the doubts, fears and insecurities of our men". . .

. . .Pat Buckley, an excommunicated gay priest, has run what he calls an "independent ministry to disaffected and alienated Catholics and Christians" in Larne, Northern Ireland, since the mid-1980s. He runs a support group, Bethany, for women who are in relationships with priests.

"These problems have been hidden for centuries," he says, "but there's been so much in the news that people are getting a bit more courage to come forward." In 1992, for instance, there was uproar at the case of Eamon Casey, the then-Bishop of Galway, when it emerged that he had used diocesan funds to pay maintenance to the American mother of his love child; in the years since then, the church has been racked with controversy. "There are three common Irish names," Buckley continues, "McEntaggart, McAnespie and McNab, that translate as 'son of the priest', 'son of the Bishop' and 'son of the Abbot', so it's been around for some time."

Berthold
17 Aug 2010, 09:11 AM
Jokes about the priest and his housekeeper have a long tradition in Catholic countries.

Ray Moscow
17 Aug 2010, 12:07 PM
I suppose this is more mainstream "deadbeat dad" child abuse, which is not quite as bad as the "pedophile priest" stuff we've read more about in recent years.

Notta
17 Aug 2010, 01:53 PM
I rather doubt the Pope is going to go against long-standing policies and suddenly decide that priests can marry.

Isn't that what Episcopalian's are for? Sort of Catholic-lite with the priests being able to marry?

DMB
17 Aug 2010, 02:26 PM
I rather doubt the Pope is going to go against long-standing policies and suddenly decide that priests can marry.

Isn't that what Episcopalian's are for? Sort of Catholic-lite with the priests being able to marry?

Ah, but the evil buggers also ordain women priests! Shock!

Berthold
17 Aug 2010, 02:47 PM
Or these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Utrecht_(Old_Catholic)).

Or even those (http://kingsgarden.org/english/organizations/lcc.gb/lcc.html).

There are, of course, ultraconservative sectarian groups using the name "Catholic", too, some within the Roman Church, some outside.

Aca
17 Aug 2010, 03:11 PM
and they are not the only ones

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vatican-confirms-report-of-sexual-abuse-and-rape-of-nuns-by-priests-in-23-countries-688261.html

The Catholic Church in Rome made the extraordinary admission yesterday that it is aware priests from at least 23 countries have been sexually abusing nuns.

The Vatican reports cited countless cases of nuns forced to have sex with priests. Some were obliged to take the pill, others became pregnant and were encouraged to have abortions. In one case in which an African sister was forced to have an abortion, she died during the operation and her aggressor led the funeral mass. Another case involved 29 sisters from the same congregation who all became pregnant to priests in the diocese.

la-union
17 Aug 2010, 11:44 PM
I think it was in the twentys when Paris was gay and abandoned they had brothels catering for many differing types of clients so one could go to the place most likely to fit your needs , there were hundreds apparently . But the best one in my opinion was the establishment that catered for the Catholic priest niche market , and they seemed to do quite well. All good and above board but what happened to the popal edicts about celibacy

Rie
18 Aug 2010, 09:55 PM
The luvverly tall dark and hansome priest who truly helped a poor little confused Catholic girl and went against the norm for a priest in caring so much? I've often thought of him over the years and since he was sexy as all get out, I've also hoped he finally threw the sodding mess that masqueraded as religion out and found someone to relieve him of his celibacy.

DMB
19 Aug 2010, 05:37 AM
An atheist in the 1960s, I got advances from two Catholic priests. Maybe they thought that at least they wouldn't be corrupting me.

Berthold
19 Aug 2010, 09:08 AM
One trick they used still earlier (I was told) was to tell women that the body of a priest has been made holy by his consecration, and therefore it's no sin. :evil: