Yet another child ripped to shreds by dogs

[DMB]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/girl-in-hospital-after-dog-attack-2065727.html

A 10-year-old girl is being treated in hospital after being attacked by two Rottweilers.

The child was riding her bike in Dundee's Dryburgh Street on Sunday when she was set upon by the dogs.

She suffered a fractured jaw in the attack and will require plastic surgery

This sort of thing happens repeatedly. Why do so many people have uncontrolled dangerous dogs?

[David B]

I don't think many dogs are well controlled, big or small. If a dog won't come and walk to heel on command, it is not well controlled. Come to think of it, if a dog does not walk to heel as a default, and only chase a ball or wander at will on a beach or during a country walk, then it is not well controlled.

I suppose that one factor concerning the danger of dogs would be well meaning people taking adult dogs which have been abused from rescue centres - I recall a thread about such a case here a month or so ago. Is there a case for putting all such dogs down?

I'd guess that a number of dog breeds that have been bred cosmetically have side effects, both in terms of the health of the dogs and in terms of their controllability and intelligence. Red Setters for instance are very pretty dogs, but I believe that they are not famed for either intelligence or controllability.

The Rottweiler it seems was originally a herding dog, adapted for cart use, which has been recently bred cosmetically. They have a reputation for biting.

Rottweilers are a powerful breed with well developed genetic herding and guarding instincts. As with any breed, potentially dangerous behavior in Rottweilers usually results from irresponsible ownership, abuse, neglect, or lack of socialization and training. However, the exceptional strength of the Rottweiler is an additional risk factor not to be neglected. It is for this reason that breed experts recommend that formal training and extensive socialization are essential for all Rottweilers. According to the AKC, Rottweilers love their people and may behave in a clownish manner toward family and friends, but they are also protective of their territory and do not welcome strangers until properly introduced. Obedience training and socialization are musts.[10]

The breed has received some negative publicity. In the US, in a 1997 report by the CDC, the[/b] Rottweiler was listed as the second most likely breed of dog named in fatal human attacks[/b], following Pit Bulls, although at approximately half the rate of the Pit Bull. Breed-specific bite rates are not known, and less responsible owners being drawn to certain breeds may be a factor.[11] Dog related human fatalities need to be considered in the context that there are fewer than 30 dog related fatalities in the United States each year out of approximately 4.7 million bite incidents,[12] from a total dog population estimated by the American Pet Products Association[13] at 77.5 million dogs. A 2008 study surveying breed club members found that while Rottweilers were average in aggressiveness (bites or bite attempts) towards owners and other dogs, it indicated they tend to be more aggressive than average towards strangers. This aggression appears unrelated to the fear of the dog, but is correlated with watchdog and territorial instincts.[14]

I'd further speculate that dogs which are not comfortable - perhaps because short of exercise, perhaps because they are over-heated (which may be because a dog bred as a working dog in a cold weather environment is taken to be a pet elsewhere - would be more likely to bite someone than a dog which is comfortable.

Then there are the breeds which have been deliberately bred for fighting They are not pets.

That's my speculation and guesswork, the bottom line being the dog that thinks it is top dog in a household is probably right, and probably dangerous, though how much damage they can do is limited by size.

David

[Monad]

I was walking in the park last week and this teenager was being literally dragged by two very large and boisterous Huskies on leads - some dogs are just so powerful even with a lead on they are not really under control. He clearly could not have handled them if they had decided to attack someone or another dog, what an idiot! I have to say I just froze as they came past - I'm not really comfortable with large dogs that appear uncontrolled even though I know Huskies are generally lovely dogs.

[Monad]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/girl-in-hospital-after-dog-attack-2065727.html

A 10-year-old girl is being treated in hospital after being attacked by two Rottweilers.

The child was riding her bike in Dundee's Dryburgh Street on Sunday when she was set upon by the dogs.

She suffered a fractured jaw in the attack and will require plastic surgery

This sort of thing happens repeatedly. Why do so many people have uncontrolled dangerous dogs?

The owners should definitely be charged - what sort of moron lets two Rottweilers just run free? Problem is I don't think the punishment is that much of a deterrent - they should really be made responsible for their dog's actions and charged with grievous bodily harm up to manslaughter if the victim dies, not just with dog related offences.

[DMB]

Huskies are difficult to train in comparison with most pet dogs. They are really a working dog and semi-wild.

I used to have an Alaskan malamute (http://www.malamute.org/Gallery_4/photos/photo_14.html) (like a big husky). When fit she weighed over 8 stone and males can be even bigger. If she had believed it possible, she could have made mincemeat of me, but from when we got her as a puppy I made it my business to be the boss and never let her win any power struggle. It was hard, unrelenting work -- much harder than I have experienced with other breeds of dog. I don't think dogs like that should be handed over to children.

[Monad]

They might have been Malamutes actually - they were very big Husky looking dogs

[Matty]

put em in a wheelie bin.

[Monad]

It would have to be a pretty big wheelie bin

[DMB]

If they were malamutes, all I can say is you should try lifting them! When my Nellie (Eskimo Nell) was in her last year she had pain in her back legs. For some months she was thought to have arthritis. (Eventually the vet decided it was bone cancer and she had to be put down.)

Before the correct diagnosis was made I still took her for daily walks in the forest and this involved a short drive to get there. Lifting her in and out of the car when she couldn't jump any more was awful! Did my damaged neck no good at all.

[Notta]

I've been bitten three times by 'friendly' dogs. Each time I was passing by the dog and not even making eye contact.

In my opinion, MOST people do not properly train their dogs.

[Matty]

It would have to be a pretty big wheelie bin

http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/78825/1282894502/thumb.storya5eba05e52c9869f21b22c6a7f80b488.jpg

:)

[sohy]

I despise it when people allow dogs to run free, especially in populated areas. In spite of strict leash laws in the town where I live, there were two pet dogs running free in my neighborhood recently that bit at least five people. I don't know any more details as it was a woman that lives at the end of my street that told me about this.

It's not only that dogs can be a danger to people, the dogs need to be protected from harm as well.


I think there have been a few cases where an individual has been charged with manslaughter here in the US, after a pet dog attacked and killed someone.

[Silly Sausage]

My cousin owns a Rottweiler, and its one of the most well behaved dogs I've known. She trained it well from when she got him as a puppy and it doesn't seem to display the same territorial behaviour that I have seen other Rottys do. Its temperament is that of a much meeker dog. While Rottys can be rather scary looking, I'm not sure that its a breed I worry about personally.

In my opinion, its mostly the fault of the owners when a dog attacks someone. I say mostly as I do believe there are breeds that are inherently aggressive. We have a big problem in the West Midlands, and its a growing problem in England, that status dogs like Staffys or Staffy-crosses are bred but then dumped when they become too much to handle. They are abused by their owners because they don't want pets, they want a symbol of how 'hard' they are. Every other dog where I live is a Staff, and personally I'm scared of them because of their reputation.
Recently, my boyfriend and I were considering adopting a rescue animal from the local RSPCA, either a cat or a small-ish dog. When looking through the pages of the animals they had, I'd say 80% or more were Staffs. Its because of their reputation that no-one wanted to take them on. No-one can accurately know their history so there's always the worry that the dog will have been mistreated by a previous owner and at some point, that mean streak will reappear. This is why I believe we should bring in some sort of system to keep a check on these particular breeds. They need to be raised and trained properly, not by some 17 year old kid living in a block of flats.

[Monad]

Thing is all dogs are potentially aggressive no matter how well they're trained - they are carnivores and if they see something as a threat they can and will defend themselves (and threat can include threats to their territory or status). They are also perfectly capable of seeing something like a small baby left unattended as potential food. For me the real issue is, if a dog is going to attack me, is it small enough to be kicked over a wall or large enough to take my head off with one bite. So all dogs need not just good training but sensible control.

However for me the problem is in the UK at least the law focuses on this myth that it is certain breeds that are the issue. This has not only misled people into thinking the rest are less harmful but also backfired by making the dogs on the prohibited list a proxy status symbol for certain inadequates.

[Matty]

i've known some great Rottys, some awesome bull mastiffs and dobermen, and some really shitty snippy snappy teeth baring toy or small breeds (yorkie terriers, jack Russell, and one fucking horrible toy poodle i would happily have put in a wood chipper let alone a green bin)

The absolute worst, most vicious dog i ever came across that used to roam free and terrorise the neighborhood of Sheffield i grew up in, was a fucking golden lab of all things. Just one that had spent its life being beaten shitless by the cunt owners. I and many kids i grew up with have had to shinny up a tree to get away from that fucking thing. It was a constant threat in our local park until it finally bit someone badly and got put down. I remember vividly my dad once wrestle grabbed it and hauled it over the fence back into the builders yard where it "lived" cos he had both a 6 yr old me on foot, and and my little sis in a pram, when we came face to face with the slavering snarling thing on a walk. One of those times that dad cements his god like status.

In terms of temperament and discipline those pampered dogs owned by old ladies or as surrogate children tend to be the most consistently nasty in my experience, its just that such shit breeds dont present too much of a physical threat compared to some.


I think the breed has basically fuck all bearing other than some need more discipline than others,. Its pretty much always the owners fault when dogs go bad IMO. Thats what you get for using a strong breed needing a shitload of exercise and well defined pack structure/discipline, as a fucking fashion accessory.

[Monad]

In terms of temperament and discipline those pampered dogs owned by old ladies or as surrogate children tend to be the most consistently nasty in my experience, its just that such shit breeds dont present too much of a physical threat compared to some.

Definitely - they usually don't have the brains to be able to judge when to back off either - but at least they come into the "can be kicked over a wall" category and don't have the strength or weight to knock you down and tear your throat out.

[reddhedd]

See, I do think breed has to something to do with it...some breeds are bred to be independent thinkers, and herding/guard dogs are at the top of that list. So you have a dog that is designed to think for itself, being raised by someone who has NO clue, and oftentimes wants a status symbol, not a companion; it's no wonder the dog is dangerous.

I believe any breed, with an abusive upbringing, can be dangerous. I believe that any breed, with good discipline, can be a joy. Most dogs, with the half hearted training they get, still turn out ok. But a large strong breed needs strong training more than a lapdog, IMO. Both bite, but pekinese aren't normally capable of killing someone, unlike a shepherd.

[Rie]

I agree that dogs should be verbally controlled but I have to say that IMHO some of this does come down to the breed. Rottweilers have those 'savage looking' eyes and I give them a wide berth.

Even so, brutal owners don't help. Pit bulls are the favourite dog where I live and two of them who belong to a neighbour who had gone on holiday came racing in my daughter's back door, straight into her bedroom and shook a little old cat of hers to death. Luckily my grandson was not in the room.

These dogs are taken out with their owners on 'let's kill a pig, boy' hunting trips at night... so of course you have a savage breed.

[Roo St. Gallus]

Here, the city powers have become puppets to the dumbs**t dog owners and designated a whole bunch of the city's better parks as "off leash areas" for dogs. Of course, way too many dog owners are congenital idiots and incapable of training their animals, much less controlling them off-leash. Consequently, in the past ten years, many city public parks have become locales of fear for those who have small dogs, or no dogs at all. Plus, the excessive use is actively deteriorating the parks themselves....the woodland glade above a city water reservoir in a park, where I had my first date with my wife attending an outdoor production of Shakespeare, is now a shithole, destroyed by masses of off-leash dogs.

I find it curious that it is ONLY dog-owners who have been privileged. There are no off-leash areas for cats, chickens, chinchillas, turtles, snakes, pot-bellied pigs, or any other pets of urban residents....just dogs. I cannot help but wonder why it is that dog-owners get the right to have their pets defecate on public property....it boggles.

The problem is not the dogs, but the owners of dogs. And then, it's not ALL dog owners, just the majority. Humans are the problem.

[dancer_rnb]

It generally seems to me my yard is an off leash "park" for the neighbors' cats.
It's not like cat owners are required to control their pets in a lot of places.

[MattShizzle]

Of course it's extremely unlikely a cat could kill someone, unlike a large or even medium sized dog.

[dancer_rnb]

Of course it's extremely unlikely a cat could kill someone, unlike a large or even medium sized dog.

Granted, but they can be destructive digging in gardens. They killed about half my new strawberry plants last year untill I covered the garden with clippings from my rose bushes.

Anyway, I was just pointing out dogs owners are generally more restricted than cat owners, even with off leash parks, so I don;t see off leash parks as special treatment of dog owners, but rather as a release of restrictions other pet owners do not face.

[espritch]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/girl-in-hospital-after-dog-attack-2065727.html

A 10-year-old girl is being treated in hospital after being attacked by two Rottweilers.

The child was riding her bike in Dundee's Dryburgh Street on Sunday when she was set upon by the dogs.

She suffered a fractured jaw in the attack and will require plastic surgery

This sort of thing happens repeatedly. Why do so many people have uncontrolled dangerous dogs?

Because we don't hang the owners when things like this happen?

[Roo St. Gallus]

Of course it's extremely unlikely a cat could kill someone, unlike a large or even medium sized dog.

Granted, but they can be destructive digging in gardens. They killed about half my new strawberry plants last year untill I covered the garden with clippings from my rose bushes.

Anyway, I was just pointing out dogs owners are generally more restricted than cat owners, even with off leash parks, so I don;t see off leash parks as special treatment of dog owners, but rather as a release of restrictions other pet owners do not face.

Yeah?

So...When do I get my outta cage slither for my snake? (If I still had one.)

How about my hens? They should be able to free range the park...but wait...those dogs? Can I kill dogs that attack my chickens?

I think cats off-leash at the park has amusing possibilities. I mean, if you take your cat to the park, what will it do but wander off. So...Is the whole thing to see if the cat can find it's way home again, or if it can find a suitable nap spot within fifteen minutes of arrival?

Sorry...every animal has restrictions. Cats are indeed difficult. I admit, I'm in thrall to a feline. As noted, they are unlikely to be threats to human persons, but, because of the intensity of populations in some places, songbird populations have been threatened. But then, so have small rodent populations. As I not only own a cat and have multiple neighbors with cats, I always garden with gloves and I recommend others do the same.

I think people should have dogs which are fit for the the city, not oversized animals which require the run of public park space to meet their needs. Large dogs should have homes where there is plenty of private space to run, NOT rely upon public space. On leash in public parks is fine. Off-leash parks is the purview of the private sector, not public parks. In public parks, where there are often large concentrations of small children, control of the weapon at all times is imperative....that's what it is, a weapon. It has the capacity to injure and kill non-vermin animals, including and especially, humans.

[Rie]

My elder daughter has a biiiig cat called imaginatively, Tom. Now Tom hates dogs with a vengeance because he loved the little old cat who was killed in my daughter's bedroom.

It's not uncommon to find that Tom has lost another claw. Some 'innocent', sly dog carries it embedded in his flesh. We don't worry though as we know Tom can grow another claw.

[DMB]

More on the Dundee case:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grandmother-hailed-for-dog-attack-rescue-2066421.html

A 33-year-old woman was charged in connection with the attack under the Dangerous Dogs Act.

Speaking from her daughter's hospital bedside, Rhianna's mother Lisa, 30, told the Daily Record: "If it hadn't been for Mum, those dogs would have ripped Rhianna to pieces. She didn't hesitate when she saw the dogs attacking Rhianna.

"Mum recently broke her ankle and ribs in a fall and is still in pain, but she managed to get to my daughter in time."

The two dogs involved in the attack, who were traced by police, were put down yesterday. . .

. . .A new law on dogs was passed by the Scottish Parliament earlier this year and is being implemented by local authorities.

Under the Control of Dogs (Scotland) Act, councils will have to compile a list of potentially dangerous dogs.

A written notice will be issued to owners of dogs that have been out of control and councils will have the authority to order the animals' destruction if they fail to comply with safety measures.

[Preno]

This is why I believe we should bring in some sort of system to keep a check on these particular breeds. They need to be raised and trained properly, not by some 17 year old kid living in a block of flats.Is there some reason why people (outside professional security agencies and such) need these breeds? If not, why on Earth do we allow people to have them? They can always choose a different breed if they desperately want a dog. There is no reason why people should be entitled to own a dog of any breed they like.

[Ray Moscow]

This is why I believe we should bring in some sort of system to keep a check on these particular breeds. They need to be raised and trained properly, not by some 17 year old kid living in a block of flats.Is there some reason why people (outside professional security agencies and such) need these breeds? If not, why on Earth do we allow people to have them? They can always choose a different breed if they desperately want a dog. There is no reason why people should be entitled to own a dog of any breed they like.

It's similar to the gun argument. No, most people don't need them, but they are going to have one anyway beause it makes them feel safer.

Until it kills their kid, that is, and then all the smart people will say that that was too bad, but nothing can be done about such tragedies except more voluntary dog/gun-handling training.

[Matty]

Rottweilers have those 'savage looking' eyes and I give them a wide berth.

:rolleyes:

[MattShizzle]

I don't really like dogs but really like cats. I have 14 of them.

[Silly Sausage]

I don't really like dogs but really like cats. I have 14 of them.

I know someone who has 16 at the last count. They are the happiest, well-treated cats I've ever seen too :)

[Daynna]

Grr?
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww91/1318comanche/rottweiler-pictures.jpg

[reddhedd]

H Of course, way too many dog owners are congenital idiots and incapable of training their animals, much less controlling them off-leash.

QFT. My bold.

[Matty]

I don't really like dogs but really like cats. I have 14 of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qbc2J0zZr8

[BWE]

I wonder what the actual odds of being mauled are. Just like with gun violence and any other dramatic news selling event, the lightning strikes sometimes look dreadfully common.

[Silly Sausage]

I don't really like dogs but really like cats. I have 14 of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qbc2J0zZr8


I love the fact that some of the people commenting on the vid actually thought he was juggling real cats :p

[Matty]

silly eh, everyone knows that if you juggle real cats you should wear gardening gloves or industrial mitts.

using declawed cats is unsporting.

[DMB]

I wonder what the actual odds of being mauled are. Just like with gun violence and any other dramatic news selling event, the lightning strikes sometimes look dreadfully common.

I'm not sure what you would count as a mauling. I would say that the odds of being bitten by a single dog are reasonably high, since most people seem to have experienced it at some time, but as soon as there are two or more dogs (= a pack) the odds increase. The odds are even higher for another dog or a cat to get bitten and even killed.

[MattShizzle]

silly eh, everyone knows that if you juggle real cats you should wear gardening gloves or industrial mitts.

using declawed cats is unsporting.

More than just that. Pretty much a suit of armor. Or at least a catcher's mask or something.

[Matty]

The odds are even higher for another dog or a cat to get bitten and even killed.


my mate had a very well behaved bull mastiff, that eventually bit back when a shitzu was hanging off its bottom lip, and killed it. Fucking little shit of a dog had bit him a good three times before latching onto his lip and he did nothing. Of course when he did bite back it was curtains for the shitzu. Crunch and shake and done.

Of course the dog defending itself was the "evil one" because it was bigger and meaner looking. Or would have been were there not lots of witnesses who spoke up that the smaller dog attacked him first when the woman owner was in hysterics telling the police about what the "monstor had done to her little darling" .

Levi STILL wound up having to wear a muzzle in public from then till the day he died despite never once biting anything unprovoked, and my mate STILL wound up with some significant bills where this stupid bitch owner tried to have a vet revive her already 99% dead dog, that basically fully deserved its fate.

really if i go and punch a silverback gorilla in the face, i kinda expect it to give me a brutal kicking. If i go and bite a great white shark or a grizzly bear, i pretty much expect to be chewed to pieces. Yet she played the breed card as much as she possibly could and it was her horrible little piece of shit that caused the entire thing and she basically won.

one was a toy breed, one was a "dangerous breed" . you know which one i'd have sooner trusted my kids with?

it is always the owner.

[MattShizzle]

I think most of those "toy" breeds would get the shit beat out of them by the average alley cat.

[DMB]

Years ago I knew a Siamese tom who lived in Tewkesbury, which is a small mediaeval town with a mediaeval town plan: three main roads meeting in a Y shape with lots of narrow alleys running off them, so most houses in the old town are next to alleys.

Tito lived in a house that had a highish wall overlooking an alley. He hated dogs, and when a dog went along the alley, Tito would suddenly drop off the wall onto the dog's head. The dogs learnt to avoid the alley.

[reddhedd]

I'm not fond of small breeds....many of them seem to have a Napoleon complex. couple that with the idiots who think that because it's small it's ok not to teach it manners, and it's a wee monster in the making.

I've been attacked and harrassed by MANY more little dogs than big ones. And invariably, the owner does nothing to control his/her animal...and acts as if I have either provoked it (apparently by existing) or I'm blowing it out of proportion.

[Roo St. Gallus]

I've been attacked and harrassed by MANY more little dogs than big ones. And invariably, the owner does nothing to control his/her animal...and acts as if I have either provoked it (apparently by existing) or I'm blowing it out of proportion.


Yeah...I know that feeling.

I spent five years as a refuse hauler...before placing cans at curbside was required...I got to meet entirely too many dogs 'up close and personal'. You would not believe the number of times I was told, "My dog has never done that before."

Yeah, right. Talk to your postal carrier.

Dog owners seem to be oblivious to their dogs' behaviors around complete strangers, and those of us who have responsibility for entering their properties pay for it. I have multiple scars on my calves from dogs 'who would never hurt a flea'....well, your fleabag wouldn't hurt a flea, but it bit me.

If it weren't for the wonderful responsible people who train their dogs and expect exemplary behavior from them, I'd think that canine proximity induces massive stupidity.

[espritch]

silly eh, everyone knows that if you juggle real cats you should wear gardening gloves or industrial mitts.

using declawed cats is unsporting.

More than just that. Pretty much a suit of armor. Or at least a catcher's mask or something.

That's why I prefer to juggle kittens.

[maddog]

Huskies are difficult to train in comparison with most pet dogs. They are really a working dog and semi-wild.

I used to have an Alaskan malamute (http://www.malamute.org/Gallery_4/photos/photo_14.html) (like a big husky). When fit she weighed over 8 stone and males can be even bigger. If she had believed it possible, she could have made mincemeat of me, but from when we got her as a puppy I made it my business to be the boss and never let her win any power struggle. It was hard, unrelenting work -- much harder than I have experienced with other breeds of dog. I don't think dogs like that should be handed over to children.

When I got a Malamute was when I realized that breed DOES make a difference. Exceptionally hard-headed and difficult to train, Malamutes are.

[MattShizzle]

silly eh, everyone knows that if you juggle real cats you should wear gardening gloves or industrial mitts.

using declawed cats is unsporting.

More than just that. Pretty much a suit of armor. Or at least a catcher's mask or something.

That's why I prefer to juggle kittens.

Kitten claws are even sharper, though of course they aren't as strong. And their teeth are like needles. I still have scars on my legs from when some of my cats were kittens - and they weren't mad or anything they just wanted to climb on me.

[Monad]

This is the problem:

A Tayside Police spokesman said yesterday: "The woman has been charged under section three of the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 for failing to keep the dogs under control and a full report will be submitted to the procurator fiscal."

She should be responsible for her dog's actions and charged with GBH, - the dangerous dogs act is toothless and weak legislation.

[Daynna]

Soon after moving into our new house, our neighbors little fluffly dog "Tinkerbell" got out of the gate and promptly ran up to my husband and bit his shoe. I have two small dogs who just stare over at Tinkerbell in confusion when she loudly yips every single second she is out in her yard.

[Matty]

sounds like a field goal waiting to happen.

[Daynna]

lol, yes he will probably at least punt the little shit next time.

[4321lynx]

If it weren't for the wonderful responsible people who train their dogs and expect exemplary behavior from them, I'd think that canine proximity induces massive stupidity.

It merely shows up people's stupidity more clearly and undeniably than, say, driving a car does.

People are stupid in their choice of dog for their particular situation, -- Oh look at that cute/handsome/powerful/fierce/intelligent dog -- Yes sir/madam the breed is intelligent, this member of it is exceptionally so, but you, sir/maam are so stupid you should not be allowed to have a pet hamster, never mind a toy poodle, foxterrier, dobermann, pitbull or other unfortunate creature you take a fancy to.

And the Breed Societies & Kennel Clubs are stupid in breeding exclusively to some cosmetic "standard". The Irish Setter (Red Setter) is an extreme case. They were excellent gun dogs till they became fashionable. Now they are stupid, snappy and out of fashion -- also they are the breed that exibits the failure to synthesize Vitamin C in their liver more than any other breed, with disastrous consequences. And though those people will strenously deny it, and most of them rightly so, for them it is all about the money not the dogs in the final analysis.

And don't get me talking about the idiots who buy puppies for Xmas & then abandon them a few weeks later.

I should say that between my dad and me we have owned, trained, or taken to obedience schools, 18 different dogs of about 14 different breeds, and I used to show Newfoundlands on the Western New York and on the New England circuits as a hobby, so know a little of what I am talking about.

Dog is man's best friend, but man is far from being dog's best friend.

[reddhedd]

Dog is man's best friend, but man is far from being dog's best friend.

A-fucking-men.

[DMB]

Another one:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/woman-reported-after-dog-mauls-girl-2069317.html

A woman has been reported to prosecutors after a 10-year-old girl was bitten on the face by a dog, it emerged last night.

Toni Clannachan had part of her cheek torn apart by an American akita that bit her while she was playing in a school friend's garden on Tuesday. The youngster needed more than 100 stitches for the injury. She was taken to Crosshouse Hospital in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, and was in a stable condition yesterday.

[Jet Black]

ripped to shreds is a bit of an exaggeration.

[DMB]

ripped to shreds is a bit of an exaggeration.

So that's all right then!

[Jet Black]

Soon after moving into our new house, our neighbors little fluffly dog "Tinkerbell" got out of the gate and promptly ran up to my husband and bit his shoe. I have two small dogs who just stare over at Tinkerbell in confusion when she loudly yips every single second she is out in her yard.

we had a dog like that next door. The lady that owned it insisted that every time it went berserk and went at our dog, they were "talking to one another". Mind you, she had a few loose screws anyway.