Fox News fuelling paranoia

[DMB]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/media/30beck.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

“You are not alone,” Glenn Beck likes to say. For the disaffected and aggrieved Americans of the Obama era, he could not have picked a better rallying cry...

...Tapping into fear about the future, Mr. Beck also lingers over doomsday situations; in a series called “The War Room” last month he talked to experts about the possibility of global financial panic and widespread outbreaks of violence. He challenged viewers to “think the unthinkable” so that they would be prepared in case of emergency.

“The truth is — that you are the defender of liberty,” he said. “It’s not the government. It’s not an army or anybody else. It’s you. This is your country.”...

...He says that America is “on the road to socialism” and that “God and religion are under attack in the U.S.” He recently wondered aloud whether FEMA was setting up concentration camps, calling it a rumor that he was unable to debunk.

Just what's needed now. :rolleyes:

[Xrikcus]

This is Glenn Beck we're talking about. Man of a thousand tears.

[tjakey]

I almost feel bad for thinking, intelligent conservatives. (There are some, my Dad is one.) Their party has gone completely off the rails, their ideology perverted and then touted by people who are clearly mentally challenged, their leadership completely incompetent, and shamed by the excesses of da shrub years.

The truly sad thing is that the country would be well served by legit counter arguments. Huge deficit spending may well be a problem, continued bailouts may not be the best economic course to follow, and the tax system really does need a massive rewrite. Those are serious discussions that the Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Rielly contingent and making impossible while they try and stir up ratings. They are truly evil, disgusting people.

[sohy]

This is nothing new. Glen Beck even admits he's a clown. Keith Oberman, the MSNBC liberal counterpart, recently said that many of the pundits on Fox have insinuated to him that they don't really even believe the shit they spout. They do it for the money.

I think Minnesota Congresswoman, Michele Bachman is worse than Fox News. She's been saying that we need to start a revolution against Obama. She calls him a Communist, among other things. Her party needs to reign her in.

[BioBeing]

Please don't compare my Keith Olbermann to that idiot Beck! ;) Just because they are political opposites doesn't mean they are "counterparts".

btw - here is Keith on Michelle Bachman

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#29922624

[Goldie]

I didn't know that Glen Beck was on Fox News as well as CNN.

And yes... the man is an idiot.

[sohy]

Please don't compare my Keith Olbermann to that idiot Beck! ;) Just because they are political opposites doesn't mean they are "counterparts".

btw - here is Keith on Michelle Bachman

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#29922624

I knew somebody would say that. :D I'm a big Keith fan too. I was too lazy to think of a better word. Anyway, he's still a counterpart in a way. Keith is just a lot more honest when he rants and raves.

[Free Thinkr]

Please don't compare my Keith Olbermann to that idiot Beck! ;) Just because they are political opposites doesn't mean they are "counterparts".

btw - here is Keith on Michelle Bachman

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#29922624
I knew somebody would say that. :D I'm a big Keith fan too. I was too lazy to think of a better word. Anyway, he's still a counterpart in a way. Keith is just a lot more honest when he rants and raves.
Olbermann's pretty much a clown.

[BioBeing]

And what about Glenn Beck and his call to arms? Is that responsible journalism?

And where were these "defenders of the constitution" when Bush and Cheney were ripping it a new one?

[Free Thinkr]

And what about Glenn Beck and his call to arms? Is that responsible journalism?
Beck's worse than a clown. I can't even think of an accurate label for what he is; he's definitely the most clownish clown I've ever seen in the realm of political discourse, but he's also an evil liar who some presumably take seriously, so it's hard to just write him off as a clown, tempting though it may be.

[sohy]

Olbermann's pretty much a clown.

I'd say he's more of a Jon Stewart type comedian. They're both a lot of fun.

[Ronin]

The worse things Jon, Rachel and Keith can inspire with even the most sanctimonious of rants are more and better hybrid cars, sales of snack chips and a return to the days of beach balls at rock concerts.

Beck, Coulter and Limbaugh, on the other hand, singularly deal with themes that can inspire a proudly disastrous scorching of the earth.

In fact, I think Marvel and DC should consider a crossover battle royale between these teams regulated by The Watcher and broadcast on pay-per-view.

:popcorn:

[Joykins]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/media/30beck.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

“You are not alone,” Glenn Beck likes to say. For the disaffected and aggrieved Americans of the Obama era, he could not have picked a better rallying cry...

...Tapping into fear about the future, Mr. Beck also lingers over doomsday situations; in a series called “The War Room” last month he talked to experts about the possibility of global financial panic and widespread outbreaks of violence. He challenged viewers to “think the unthinkable” so that they would be prepared in case of emergency.

“The truth is — that you are the defender of liberty,” he said. “It’s not the government. It’s not an army or anybody else. It’s you. This is your country.”...

...He says that America is “on the road to socialism” and that “God and religion are under attack in the U.S.” He recently wondered aloud whether FEMA was setting up concentration camps, calling it a rumor that he was unable to debunk.

Just what's needed now. :rolleyes:

Thanks for identifying the kool aid my sister in law appears to be drinking. If only I could keep her from emailing me that crap my joy would be complete. As it is I am going slooooowly through why smart electricity meters do not amount to fascism :p

[DMB]

There is a real problem that so many people everywhere are unaware of what is going on in the world around them. If most of the "news" you ever get is mediated by Fox News or by the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html), there's not much hope for you.

[dancer_rnb]

There is a real problem that so many people everywhere are unaware of what is going on in the world around them. If most of the "news" you ever get is mediated by Fox News or by the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html), there's not much hope for you.

Was it really that much different in the past, if you got your news from the Manchester Union Leader? (Very conservative newspaper in New Hampshire.)

[DMB]

There is a real problem that so many people everywhere are unaware of what is going on in the world around them. If most of the "news" you ever get is mediated by Fox News or by the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html), there's not much hope for you.

Was it really that much different in the past, if you got your news from the Manchester Union Leader? (Very conservative newspaper in New Hampshire.)

Probably not, in the sense that people didn't get much real, non-parochial news, but with the explosion of media forms we have now, there is an illusion of being better informed.

[Free Thinkr]

The worse things Jon, Rachel and Keith can inspire with even the most sanctimonious of rants are more and better hybrid cars, sales of snack chips and a return to the days of beach balls at rock concerts.
I vociferously disagree. Rachel and Keith can make a mockery of the left-leaning media the way the Limbaughs and Becks have of the right-leaning media. And they are. Nowadays, it's just a matter of which dogfood you prefer to consume: Purina or Alpo.

[Ronin]

The worse things Jon, Rachel and Keith can inspire with even the most sanctimonious of rants are more and better hybrid cars, sales of snack chips and a return to the days of beach balls at rock concerts.
I vociferously disagree. Rachel and Keith can make a mockery of the left-leaning media the way the Limbaughs and Becks have of the right-leaning media. And they are. Nowadays, it's just a matter of which dogfood you prefer to consume: Purina or Alpo.

Quantifying the highly subjective "making a mockery of" would be a waste of time.

My post reflects that even the most offensive and goofy thing the lefties could possibly vomit forth would not lead to an abortion clinic bombing or a church shooting.

While the rabid right brothers and sisters do it with a smile.

Your vociferousness notwithstanding.

:banana:

[Free Thinkr]

The worse things Jon, Rachel and Keith can inspire with even the most sanctimonious of rants are more and better hybrid cars, sales of snack chips and a return to the days of beach balls at rock concerts.
I vociferously disagree. Rachel and Keith can make a mockery of the left-leaning media the way the Limbaughs and Becks have of the right-leaning media. And they are. Nowadays, it's just a matter of which dogfood you prefer to consume: Purina or Alpo.

Quantifying the highly subjective "making a mockery of" would be a waste of time.

My post reflects that even the most offensive and goofy thing the lefties could possibly vomit forth would not lead to an abortion clinic bombing or a church shooting.

While the rabid right brothers and sisters do it with a smile.

Your vociferousness notwithstanding.

:banana:
Sigh. Presumably, reason would win out against BS in a long term battle. If we had reasonable people on the left to counter the bile spewing cretins on the right, perhaps you'd see a decline in the damage these pieces of shit do with their vitriol. But we don't, do we? No, we get the very same type of clowning we're used to from Fox pundits. So we never advance. We just get feel-good fodder, which doesn't do a damn thing to help the progress of our society.

Maybe you like the clowning. Hey, I love the Daily Show. But I'd like to limit my clowning primarily to comedy shows, thanks.

[dancer_rnb]

The worse things Jon, Rachel and Keith can inspire with even the most sanctimonious of rants are more and better hybrid cars, sales of snack chips and a return to the days of beach balls at rock concerts.
I vociferously disagree. Rachel and Keith can make a mockery of the left-leaning media the way the Limbaughs and Becks have of the right-leaning media. And they are. Nowadays, it's just a matter of which dogfood you prefer to consume: Purina or Alpo.

Quantifying the highly subjective "making a mockery of" would be a waste of time.

My post reflects that even the most offensive and goofy thing the lefties could possibly vomit forth would not lead to an abortion clinic bombing or a church shooting.

While the rabid right brothers and sisters do it with a smile.

Your vociferousness notwithstanding.

:banana:

I would not be surprised at a church shooting of some type.

[Ronin]

Support the Tn Valley Unitarian Universalists (http://humanism.meetup.com/164/messages/boards/thread/5140075)

Yeah...just like Purina and Alpo.

:bang:

Jim David Adkisson's note. (http://files.meetup.com/319870/021009churchshooter-manifesto.pdf)

(.pdf file)

[Ronin]

I vociferously disagree. Rachel and Keith can make a mockery of the left-leaning media the way the Limbaughs and Becks have of the right-leaning media. And they are. Nowadays, it's just a matter of which dogfood you prefer to consume: Purina or Alpo.

Quantifying the highly subjective "making a mockery of" would be a waste of time.

My post reflects that even the most offensive and goofy thing the lefties could possibly vomit forth would not lead to an abortion clinic bombing or a church shooting.

While the rabid right brothers and sisters do it with a smile.

Your vociferousness notwithstanding.

:banana:
Sigh. Presumably, reason would win out against BS in a long term battle. If we had reasonable people on the left to counter the bile spewing cretins on the right, perhaps you'd see a decline in the damage these pieces of shit do with their vitriol. But we don't, do we? No, we get the very same type of clowning we're used to from Fox pundits. So we never advance. We just get feel-good fodder, which doesn't do a damn thing to help the progress of our society.

Maybe you like the clowning. Hey, I love the Daily Show. But I'd like to limit my clowning primarily to comedy shows, thanks.

Maybe you didn't see the results of last year's US election yet.

:dunno:

[Free Thinkr]

Quantifying the highly subjective "making a mockery of" would be a waste of time.

My post reflects that even the most offensive and goofy thing the lefties could possibly vomit forth would not lead to an abortion clinic bombing or a church shooting.

While the rabid right brothers and sisters do it with a smile.

Your vociferousness notwithstanding.

:banana:
Sigh. Presumably, reason would win out against BS in a long term battle. If we had reasonable people on the left to counter the bile spewing cretins on the right, perhaps you'd see a decline in the damage these pieces of shit do with their vitriol. But we don't, do we? No, we get the very same type of clowning we're used to from Fox pundits. So we never advance. We just get feel-good fodder, which doesn't do a damn thing to help the progress of our society.

Maybe you like the clowning. Hey, I love the Daily Show. But I'd like to limit my clowning primarily to comedy shows, thanks.
Maybe you didn't see the results of last year's US election yet.

:dunno:
You attribute that to MSNBC's new format? I attribute MSNBC's new format to the utter failure of the Republicans. But that failure will only be on Americans' minds for so long; it could swing the other way at any moment, and if there's no liberal press to do serious news, we're fucked. And there isn't, so we're fucked. Could be fucked as early as 2012. You watch.

[Ronin]

Sigh. Presumably, reason would win out against BS in a long term battle. If we had reasonable people on the left to counter the bile spewing cretins on the right, perhaps you'd see a decline in the damage these pieces of shit do with their vitriol. But we don't, do we? No, we get the very same type of clowning we're used to from Fox pundits. So we never advance. We just get feel-good fodder, which doesn't do a damn thing to help the progress of our society.

Maybe you like the clowning. Hey, I love the Daily Show. But I'd like to limit my clowning primarily to comedy shows, thanks.
Maybe you didn't see the results of last year's US election yet.

:dunno:
You attribute that to MSNBC's new format? I attribute MSNBC's new format to the utter failure of the Republicans. But that failure will only be on Americans' minds for so long; it could swing the other way at any moment, and if there's no liberal press to do serious news, we're fucked. And there isn't, so we're fucked. Could be fucked as early as 2012. You watch.

You might want to try posting in the right thread.

[dancer_rnb]

Support the Tn Valley Unitarian Universalists (http://humanism.meetup.com/164/messages/boards/thread/5140075)

Yeah...just like Purina and Alpo.

:bang:

Jim David Adkisson's note. (http://files.meetup.com/319870/021009churchshooter-manifesto.pdf)

(.pdf file)

I still wouldn't rule out "left wing" violence against churches as being possible, even liberal churches, nut cases being as they are.

How about this from Respectful Insolence, about violence against labs. Doesn't seem like "right wing" to me:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/04/striking_back_against_animal_rights_terr.php

[Ronin]

Well, I wouldn't "rule" anything out...I'm speaking of "odds far better", not rare exceptions.

Hey, I didn't see any of my three liberal Purina clowns on your linked site.

Do Stewart, Olbermann or Maddow advocate or incite environmental terrorism?

Did you read Adkisson's note on what specifically motivated him?

Investigation revealed. (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/Jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/)

This isn't even close, but feel free to scrounge as far and as deep as you can on google for something...anything.

[Free Thinkr]

Well, I wouldn't "rule" anything out...I'm speaking of "odds far better", not rare exceptions.

Hey, I didn't see any of my three liberal Purina clowns on your linked site.

Do Stewart, Olbermann or Maddow advocate or incite environmental terrorism?

Did you read Adkisson's note on what specifically motivated him?

Investigation revealed. (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/Jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/)

This isn't even close, but feel free to scrounge as far and as deep as you can on google for something...anything.
Once again, as long as you continue to make clowning the rule, the clowns on the right will continue to be a factor.

[tjakey]

I usually think that Fox news is actually bad for the country; or perhaps I should say that the fact there are enough people who watch Fox news to keep them business, is bad for the country.

But maybe not? Maybe Fox news is a place where 1) we can gather up the truly deranged and let them perform so that 2) the deranged portion of our fellow citizens has a TV nanny to make them feel better AND to keep them off the streets doing real harm.

But I also wonder; in the off-chance Hamptity, O'Really, Becker-head, the Rushmeister, etc. actually stir their sheep to start the shooting, do they stop to think what that might actually mean? Do they really think no one will shoot back and who is going to be at the very top of the opposition's target list?

It is one thing to rake in big ratings and fat paychecks stirring up the crazies, it is quite another to actually be the first targets of a real revolution. I think these assholes are playing with fire without actually thinking about getting burned.

[Ronin]

Well, I wouldn't "rule" anything out...I'm speaking of "odds far better", not rare exceptions.

Hey, I didn't see any of my three liberal Purina clowns on your linked site.

Do Stewart, Olbermann or Maddow advocate or incite environmental terrorism?

Did you read Adkisson's note on what specifically motivated him?

Investigation revealed. (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/Jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/)

This isn't even close, but feel free to scrounge as far and as deep as you can on google for something...anything.
Once again, as long as you continue to make clowning the rule, the clowns on the right will continue to be a factor.

Once again you are having an entirely different conversation in your head.

I'm not making "clowning the rule" or whatever it is you're on about.

I'm saying that the observable difference is the ability of the Faux News Koo-Koos to be batshit crazy, dangerous and inciting.

Stewart, Maddow and Olbermann don't even compare.

[Free Thinkr]

Well, I wouldn't "rule" anything out...I'm speaking of "odds far better", not rare exceptions.

Hey, I didn't see any of my three liberal Purina clowns on your linked site.

Do Stewart, Olbermann or Maddow advocate or incite environmental terrorism?

Did you read Adkisson's note on what specifically motivated him?

Investigation revealed. (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/Jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/)

This isn't even close, but feel free to scrounge as far and as deep as you can on google for something...anything.
Once again, as long as you continue to make clowning the rule, the clowns on the right will continue to be a factor.

Once again you are having an entirely different conversation in your head.

I'm not making "clowning the rule" or whatever it is you're on about.

I'm saying that the observable difference is the ability of the Faux News Koo-Koos to be batshit crazy, dangerous and inciting.

Stewart, Maddow and Olbermann don't even compare.
The point is this: Olbermann in particular, and to a lesser extent Maddow continue the culture currently existing in the news media. That culture includes the expression of dangerous ideas. In a very real way, they're helping to facilitate the OReilly's and Hannity's of the world.

[Ronin]

Once again, as long as you continue to make clowning the rule, the clowns on the right will continue to be a factor.

Once again you are having an entirely different conversation in your head.

I'm not making "clowning the rule" or whatever it is you're on about.

I'm saying that the observable difference is the ability of the Faux News Koo-Koos to be batshit crazy, dangerous and inciting.

Stewart, Maddow and Olbermann don't even compare.
The point is this: Olbermann in particular, and to a lesser extent Maddow continue the culture currently existing in the news media. That culture includes the expression of dangerous ideas. In a very real way, they're helping to facilitate the OReilly's and Hannity's of the world.

The point isn't that at all.

To attribute Olbermann and Maddow in any way with facilitating O'Really and Hannibal is just ridiculous, the equivalent of blaming atheists for perpetuating religious fundamentalism.

I suspect you know this.

April Fools has paaast...etc.

;)

PS That's the worst abuse of the word "culture" I've seen in quite awhile. You win.

:cool:

[BioBeing]

The point is this: Olbermann in particular, and to a lesser extent Maddow continue the culture currently existing in the news media. That culture includes the expression of dangerous ideas. In a very real way, they're helping to facilitate the OReilly's and Hannity's of the world.

The point is, you have no point. The "dangerous ideas" expressed on MSNBC have nothing to do with inciting violence. Unlike on some of the right wing stations.

[Free Thinkr]

The point isn't that at all.

To attribute Olbermann and Maddow in any way with facilitating O'Really and Hannibal is just ridiculous, the equivalent of blaming atheists for perpetuating religious fundamentalism.
No, it's the equivalent of blaming Christians for facilitating the Islamization of Europe by taking the mindset that Islam is better than no religion, and voting accordingly.

In this analogy, atheism would be analogous to a serious news show. MSNBC and FOX News are analogous to religions, and like Christianity and Islam, one is definitely more troublesome than the other.

I suspect you know this.

April Fools has paaast...etc.

;)

PS That's the worst abuse of the word "culture" I've seen in quite awhile. You win.

:cool:
And you lose. Each response you've made to my posts was dumber than the last, and the first one was quite dumb. I anxiously await your next post, to see how you manage to out-stupid this latest one.

[Free Thinkr]

The point is this: Olbermann in particular, and to a lesser extent Maddow continue the culture currently existing in the news media. That culture includes the expression of dangerous ideas. In a very real way, they're helping to facilitate the OReilly's and Hannity's of the world.
The point is, you have no point. The "dangerous ideas" expressed on MSNBC have nothing to do with inciting violence. Unlike on some of the right wing stations.
Their role in the continuing decline of the news media is crucial, in that, instead of combating the ridiculousness coming from FOX News, they just offer their own brand of ridiculousness. Rather than offering the basis for an objective, fact-based world-view, these shows simply polarize our population even more, and make the vitriol spewed continuously on FOX News that much more dangerous.

These shows are great if your interest is to feel superior to those stupid, evil rethuglicans, and you don't mind being lied to in the process. But if your want is to live in a sane society, you need to recognize these shows are gruesome symptoms of a horrible disease which afflicts our news media.

[Ronin]

The point isn't that at all.

To attribute Olbermann and Maddow in any way with facilitating O'Really and Hannibal is just ridiculous, the equivalent of blaming atheists for perpetuating religious fundamentalism.
No, it's the equivalent of blaming Christians for facilitating the Islamization of Europe by taking the mindset that Islam is better than no religion, and voting accordingly.

In this analogy, atheism would be analogous to a serious news show. MSNBC and FOX News are analogous to religions, and like Christianity and Islam, one is definitely more troublesome than the other.

I suspect you know this.

April Fools has paaast...etc.

;)

PS That's the worst abuse of the word "culture" I've seen in quite awhile. You win.

:cool:
And you lose. Each response you've made to my posts was dumber than the last, and the first one was quite dumb. I anxiously await your next post, to see how you manage to out-stupid this latest one.

And you lose. Each response you've made to my posts was dumber than the last, and the first one was quite dumb. I anxiously await your next post, to see how you manage to out-stupid this latest one.

There...that was the only possible way I could "out-stupid" anyone.

Thanks for the pointer, you are an endless spring from which all tard floweth.

:cool:

[David B]

What I'm seeing is an escalating pattern of posts turning into personal insults rather than robust discussion of other member's position

This is not what is wanted in this forum. Address the post and not the poster, else threads will locked, posts moved

David B (politics mod)

[Ronin]

Seconded!

Let's try to focus all efforts on my robust member's position.

:banana:

[BioBeing]

The point is this: Olbermann in particular, and to a lesser extent Maddow continue the culture currently existing in the news media. That culture includes the expression of dangerous ideas. In a very real way, they're helping to facilitate the OReilly's and Hannity's of the world.
The point is, you have no point. The "dangerous ideas" expressed on MSNBC have nothing to do with inciting violence. Unlike on some of the right wing stations.
Their role in the continuing decline of the news media is crucial, in that, instead of combating the ridiculousness coming from FOX News, they just offer their own brand of ridiculousness. Rather than offering the basis for an objective, fact-based world-view, these shows simply polarize our population even more, and make the vitriol spewed continuously on FOX News that much more dangerous.

These shows are great if your interest is to feel superior to those stupid, evil rethuglicans, and you don't mind being lied to in the process. But if your want is to live in a sane society, you need to recognize these shows are gruesome symptoms of a horrible disease which afflicts our news media.

I will certainly agree that MSNBC is no BBC. But that doesn't have to mean that Fox and MSNBC are equal but opposite. I do see a huge difference between O'Reilly and Olbermann.

[Free Thinkr]

What I'm seeing is an escalating pattern of posts turning into personal insults rather than robust discussion of other member's position

This is not what is wanted in this forum. Address the post and not the poster, else threads will locked, posts moved

David B (politics mod)
You're right. My bad

[Free Thinkr]

The point is, you have no point. The "dangerous ideas" expressed on MSNBC have nothing to do with inciting violence. Unlike on some of the right wing stations.
Their role in the continuing decline of the news media is crucial, in that, instead of combating the ridiculousness coming from FOX News, they just offer their own brand of ridiculousness. Rather than offering the basis for an objective, fact-based world-view, these shows simply polarize our population even more, and make the vitriol spewed continuously on FOX News that much more dangerous.

These shows are great if your interest is to feel superior to those stupid, evil rethuglicans, and you don't mind being lied to in the process. But if your want is to live in a sane society, you need to recognize these shows are gruesome symptoms of a horrible disease which afflicts our news media.
I will certainly agree that MSNBC is no BBC. But that doesn't have to mean that Fox and MSNBC are equal but opposite. I do see a huge difference between O'Reilly and Olbermann.
I'm not saying there's no differences. I'm saying in one crucial aspect -that of clowning in such a way as to serve pleasing points up to specific viewpoints- they are opposite sides of the same coin. And because of that, MSNBC just serves the FOX News agenda: that of dumbing our population down with sensationalist garbage, all the while distracting from crucial issues, the ignorance of which FOX News and MSNBC just happen to profit by.

You want to defend Olbermann and Maddow? It's a free country. But I'm saying: do so at your own peril. That's all.

[Free Thinkr]

The point isn't that at all.

To attribute Olbermann and Maddow in any way with facilitating O'Really and Hannibal is just ridiculous, the equivalent of blaming atheists for perpetuating religious fundamentalism.
No, it's the equivalent of blaming Christians for facilitating the Islamization of Europe by taking the mindset that Islam is better than no religion, and voting accordingly.

In this analogy, atheism would be analogous to a serious news show. MSNBC and FOX News are analogous to religions, and like Christianity and Islam, one is definitely more troublesome than the other.
And you lose. Each response you've made to my posts was dumber than the last, and the first one was quite dumb. I anxiously await your next post, to see how you manage to out-stupid this latest one.

There...that was the only possible way I could "out-stupid" anyone.

Thanks for the pointer, you are an endless spring from which all tard floweth.

:cool:
So no thoughts on my analogy? Is there not some truth to it? Isn't a "news" program which serves disinformation which caters to one particular point of view that's not necessarily dangerous in terms of inciting violence analogous with Christianity? And isn't a similar "news" program which serves disinformation which caters to another point of view that is relatively dangerous in terms of inciting violence analogous with Islam?

Isn't the defense of the one somewhat linked with the defense of the other? Doesn't advocating one give legitimacy to the other?

[Ronin]

No, it's the equivalent of blaming Christians for facilitating the Islamization of Europe by taking the mindset that Islam is better than no religion, and voting accordingly.

In this analogy, atheism would be analogous to a serious news show. MSNBC and FOX News are analogous to religions, and like Christianity and Islam, one is definitely more troublesome than the other.
And you lose. Each response you've made to my posts was dumber than the last, and the first one was quite dumb. I anxiously await your next post, to see how you manage to out-stupid this latest one.

There...that was the only possible way I could "out-stupid" anyone.

Thanks for the pointer, you are an endless spring from which all tard floweth.

:cool:
So no thoughts on my analogy? Is there not some truth to it? Isn't a "news" program which serves disinformation which caters to one particular point of view that's not necessarily dangerous in terms of inciting violence analogous with Christianity? And isn't a similar "news" program which serves disinformation which caters to another point of view that is relatively dangerous in terms of inciting violence analogous with Islam?

Isn't the defense of the one somewhat linked with the defense of the other? Doesn't advocating one give legitimacy to the other?

They are not equal sides to a coin, Free Thinkr.

My point, which you have continued to dodge, is that one of them is far more venomous, while the other more humorous. Regardless of whether or not you approve of the spin of all TV.

Do you agree with that?

The Fox News Channel and Limbaugh came on strong without any help at all by Comedy Central and MSNBC, which were responses to an audience that already wanted a show...to diminish the venom of the right-wing nuts spewing forth their inciting and narcissistic blather.

Two words: Stephen Colbert

Do you find some truth to my perspective?

The only folk that are in "peril" are the liberal, commie, pinko, hippie, lefties and their socialistic terrorist loving cult following who voted for Barack Hussein Obama.

[Worldtraveller]

First sign of the apocolypse: I think FT actually makes a bit of a point. :p

On the other hand, I wouldn't describe MSNBC as the flip sie of the coin compared to Faux News, either. Olbermann comes close on occasion, but his rants are always aimed at the politicians (he's fond of the 'have you no shame' schtick), whereas the gasbags on the right are aiming their rants at the people with suggestions to arm themselves, hope that the current administration fails, etc.

While the messages are opposite sides, the means and modes are totally different, IMO.

And Stewart doesn't even begin to fall into that category.

The other really huge difference is that Faux news will do pretty much whatever it takes to not criticize their own. Stewart, Maddow, and Olbermann are very quick to jump on their own side (not that Stewart seems to have a side, he strikes me as very independant) and call out members of both sides when they fuck up.

[Free Thinkr]

And you lose. Each response you've made to my posts was dumber than the last, and the first one was quite dumb. I anxiously await your next post, to see how you manage to out-stupid this latest one.

There...that was the only possible way I could "out-stupid" anyone.

Thanks for the pointer, you are an endless spring from which all tard floweth.

:cool:
So no thoughts on my analogy? Is there not some truth to it? Isn't a "news" program which serves disinformation which caters to one particular point of view that's not necessarily dangerous in terms of inciting violence analogous with Christianity? And isn't a similar "news" program which serves disinformation which caters to another point of view that is relatively dangerous in terms of inciting violence analogous with Islam?

Isn't the defense of the one somewhat linked with the defense of the other? Doesn't advocating one give legitimacy to the other?
They are not equal sides to a coin, Free Thinkr.

My point, which you have continued to dodge, is that one of them is far more venomous, while the other more humorous. Regardless of whether or not you approve of the spin of all TV.

Do you agree with that?
I find it amusing that you accuse me of dodging your point, yet if you weren't dodging my analogy, this question of yours would be redundant. Do you think that Islam and Christianity are "equal sides to a coin?" Nope, Islam is definitely worse. It's far more "venomous" these days. But both are faiths, and by defending one, you're indirectly defending the other. If faith is on the rise, the door is opened for the harm that religions do, even if the faith may seem comparatively benign. So it is with shitty partisan news media.

The Fox News Channel and Limbaugh came on strong without any help at all by Comedy Central and MSNBC, which were responses to an audience that already wanted a show...to diminish the venom of the right-wing nuts spewing forth their inciting and narcissistic blather.
I'd leave Comedy Central out of this. That's not a part of my point, because it's a comedy show. MSNBC, along with the rest of the mainstream media, did plenty to assist Limbaugh and FOX News as they gained popularity; namely, they not only failed to address and correct Conservative talking points, but in fact frequently ran with them. Only recently has MSNBC made the shift to FOX NEWS-blue. And that's a bad thing, because instead of our news media shifting away from the FOX News model toward a more objective, fact-based presentation, it shows that the media is continuing to move toward the FOX News model, where viewers with a particular view-point are served up pleasing but false tales.